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Date: 10/30/08 12:33 PM

I'm looking at getting a new embroidery machine and can't decide between the Viking Designer SE or the Diamond. I went to a dealer yesterday pretty much sold on the Designer SE but she showed me the Diamond as well, which is pretty awesome. I can't seem to justify the $3000 difference between the two. Any comments on either would be very helpful.

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Date: 10/30/08 3:11 PM

I basically had to make the same decision in July and ended up getting the Diamond for several reasons. I have a #1+ that did a great job sewing. I only used it occasionally for embroidery because the designs run $150 per pack. I purchased the 3D embroidery software but was too busy to learn it. I also purchased the Reader/Writer and only used it once. I was taking a number of classes at my dealer's and getting tired of them having to make special accommodations for my machine. Everyone had either a D1 or an SE. They had to put my designs for the projects on a loaner card and then on a floppy for me to take home to convert. That meant that everyone else had a good start on their project while they were still trying to get me set up.

When the new Diamond came out, I was planning to get a D1. My dealer had about a half dozen or so that the factory had reconditioned for $2900 with a 5 year warranty. What decided me against one was when I went to Walmart to get a replacement floppy to give my dealer and was told that I had to make a special trip to an office supply store for them. I mentioned this to my dealer and was told that Viking would stock parts for the D1 for 10 years and that floppies lasted forever.

I went back in thinking that I could get a used SE from someone who was upgrading to the Diamond. I had looked the SE up online and found that there were several versions, including some that had been upgraded with a USB port. There were no used ones available (at dealer's -- I wouldn't trust that big a purchase online) and a new one cost around $7500--I don't remember the exact amount. I went away very discouraged because I knew we needed a new roof on our house and money was very tight. I also considered the fact that the SE had already had several updates and was concerned about the cost if the motherboard went out on a used one--if I found one.

I kept pondering my situation and had almost decided to give up when I remembered that I had a retirement policy from a previous employer that I had been putting off transferring. I left under less than ideal circumstances ( I was tired of the verbal abuse) and was afraid he would close down his office and I'd be left with nothing. I didn't even know how much was in it since he had all the paperwork sent to his office and I hadn't seen it since I left 8 years ago. I called the investment company and they were able to locate my account with just my SS and I found I had about $11,000. They helped me through the paperwork, and thank goodness, he signed off without me having to talk with him. After taking out the IRS portion, I had just enough for a Diamond -- not counting the sales tax. DH generously said he would pay those as our anniversary and my birthday gifts. That would keep him from having to shop at the end of the month.

Another reason I got the Diamond was that years ago I purchased a new 6460 and literally wore it out. My dealer was unable to replace the gears and I ended up with a little 400 computerized machine until I purchased my #1+ used. I decided I did not want another used machine. For a few thousand dollars I could get a new, top-of-the-line machine that would probably be the last one I purchase. I would have an original warranty.

So far I love my Diamond. I have used it mainly for embroidery since I have not been able to get in for lessons. My dealer feels I need to start at the beginning since it is such a large jump from my machine to the Diamond. She has been out with brain surgery and now a broken hip, so we have not been able to get together until later this month. I have been able to figure out how to do some of the embroidery from the stick but have been busy making clothes for the grandkids, so haven't worried about lessons. My dealer was unable to go to the convention in June, but those employees who did go picked up a number of Diamonds that included the luggage offer. Since I decided to keep my old machine, my dealer also threw in the majestic hoop in place of a trade in.

Those in my classes who have SEs really like them. However, I have been there several times when someone has brought in an SE that was having problems locking up. That also made me uneasy about that machine.

Basically, my decision was based on the fact that I was able to acquire the money, the fact that this will be my last machine, the amount of sewing I do, the embroidery capabilities of the Diamond, my experiences with my old machine, my online research, and my observations of problems others were having with the SE.


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Sewn in 2012: 176.212 yds.
2013 Goal: 400 yds (again)
Total sewn in 2013 -- 225.848 yds.
Total yards in inventory 1/1/14 -- 1752.5
Goal for 2014 -- 400 yards (for the third time)

Machines: Designer Diamond, #1+, H Class 100Q, and Viking 400 Serger: 936

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Date: 10/31/08 12:25 PM

That's a very neat way to get a machine with forgotten money. I hope you enjoy it.

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Date: 10/31/08 1:01 PM

Thanks for you thoughts. That's sort of of how I am now. I have a Brother PC8500D but I haven't used the embroidery much because I find it hard to use. I took a class last year on the PE-Design and what they showed in the class, which I still can't do, this dealer designed something very similar right on the screen of the Diamond. I couldn't believe it!! I was very impressed. Maybe I'll look at some of my old accounts and be able to come up with some forgotten money :-) That would be nice... I'll let you know. Thanks!!

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Date: 10/31/08 7:58 PM

I was going to get the SE myself but ended up with the Diamond which I love. This beauty has everything including the biggest hoops you could possibly want not to mention a huge sewing space with the embroidery unit attached. I guess it boils down to how much you want to spend and how big of a embroidery unit you want. There are a lot more stitches on the diamond then the se but your right the 3000 price tag is a little steep. I know they are still doing special financing for the machine.


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Sewing Machines, Baby Lock Nancy Zieman Ellegante, Baby Lock Ellure Plus, Viking Platinum 730 and a Singer Serger. My new Serger is a Pfaff 4764 and it runs nicely. Added a new Machine today a really beauty Pfaff 130. Newest Addition a Baby Lock Coverstitch only machine. Newest addition Bernina 440QEE. Now A Viking Designer Diamond :) Now a new Viking Huskylock 936 Combo Serger. Sold machine the Viking Platinum 730 and the PFAFF 4764.

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Date: 10/31/08 10:01 PM

I'm glad it's not just me! I have a Brother PC2001/PE-Design combo, too, but haven't done anything with PE-Design because I just can't understand it. I've taken two classes, still can't understand it. I can understand lots of stuff. (I have a double masters in archaeology and public administration.) I let some friends who work for Microsoft borrow it to attempt some digitization. They couldn't understand it. Maybe it's time to check my old accounts, too. Sigh!

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Date: 11/1/08 9:32 AM

I have the SELE. I do probably 95% sewing with and it and 5% embroidery. In fact when I got it, I had it almost 6 months before I did any embroidery.

My girlfriend traded in her SELE for the Diamond. She loves it. She does a lot more embroidery than I do and does a lot of larger designs.

I love my SELE. For me, the Diamond would only be worth the extra $, if I did more embroidery. Both machines are very user friendly. I love the on screen advisors and tell you what thread, stabilizer, etc. than you will need.

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Date: 11/1/08 5:14 PM

I recently purchased the Diamond and it's my first Viking machine. I am so pleased with how it sews, very even stitches and quite a variety. Heirloom stitches are awesome. I've enjoyed sewing with it so much, I haven't even tried the embroidery. I've heard it's great too. Good luck with your decision and let us know which one you buy.

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Date: 12/1/08 6:36 AM

I have had both and they are both wonderful machines. I feel the only major difference is that the Diamond can do a little bigger embroidery area. However, I would look for the SE LE instead of the SE for the reason that the LE has the nicer bobbin system. It does make a difference.

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Date: 12/1/08 6:57 AM

I'm not familiar with the Diamond..I've never sewed on it, but I do have the SE and love it. I have not had one single problem with it, it sews flawlessly and though I do more sewing than embroidery, the embroidery I've done has been easy to learn.

I don't think you can go wrong with Viking, they make great machines.

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