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Lucy in Virginia
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Date: 10/30/09 1:44 PM

I have just fallen in LOVE with everything I am seeing on the internet about the Brother Quattro 6000D. I am amazed by the built in camera (so you don't have to be spot on in positioning) and size of the thing and the ability to quilt, craft, sew and embroider all on the same machine. There are so many other things I like, too.

I have been frustrated by the lack of informative reviews on PR for these two machines. Some are just too brief. But I think someone commented on one review that the Quattro is the same as the Baby Lock Ellissimo. Machines are a personal thing, I guess. But the Brother just speaks to me, where as the Ellissimo doesn't excite me at all. I want to make an informed decision, though.

I would like to know what people really think of these two machines. Are they really exactly the same? Are they the same in price? I think the Brother runs for about $6999 when not on sale.

There is something on the Pfaffs that quilters really like (think its to do with the foot/differential feed). I don't know if these machines have that or something equivalent. But I hate the look of the top of the line Pfaffs; and will not shell out for something that visually offends my eye.

Anybody out there own or tested these machines?

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Total Stash at end of 2013 -- about 750 yards.
2014 Total Items Sewn -- 1
2014 Total Stash Used -- 2.5
2014 Total Items Embroidered -- 2
2014 Goal: Sew 1 garment per month. Less stash at end of 2014 than at end of 2013.

Machines: Babylock Ellisimo; Viking Platinum 770; Brother 900D
Serger: Baby Lock Evolve

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Date: 10/30/09 4:13 PM

i tested the Brother 6000D, they don't sell any of the Babylock higher end models here.

I'm a bit of a gadget person so I was destined to love this machine. I spent about 2.5 hours trying our various features. I loved the size of the screen and the clarity, better than the diamond or the pfaff. I found the interface very easy very intuitive, I liked the on screen help.

The needle threader is VERY nice. I am lazy and love the path of least resistance so the camera, and snowman stickers for positioning - just too easy, i had it hopping from spot to spot to test. The edge stitching sensor only works with a certain foot, but you can do straight or zigzag. I don't exactly know what you would use if for but also a super cute feature. Range of patterns and on board designs were nice. The picture stitch - I think the idea of that is better than the execution, only because without the software the range of on board patterns for it is limited. I can see where its going and a nice feature if have ever used 4d sketch its a similar idea but meant to be easier. They will add patterns in future i was told but you can scan your own in and add stitches on screen. any stitch from the sewin machine can become an embroidery which is common enough to all machines at this level but the extra screen clarity makes it very nice. you can do alot of editing on screen, making the standard software a bit redundant.

In short I really liked everything but the price. It retails for 9k here and I have seen it lower. Its definitely my wish list machine but I have to wait until I can afford it.

I compared it to the diamond. I thought the diamond also a very nice machine, and there is a wider range of hoops and feet for it. But there is no real innovation in the diamond that compares with brother. Nothing not to like in the diamond but nothing to really love that's new for the money.

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Date: 10/31/09 0:22 AM

I have the 6000d Quattro and love it. Still too busy to write a review for it, it's so much fun! I tested both the babylock and brother side by side. Essentially they are the same machine. It all depends on what you want. The babylock is very elegant looking, with the gold lid and the screen's opening flower. I couldn't resist the brother's bright blue color, plus I sew for a lot of kids, and am using the Disney embroidery. They are both wonderful machines. I did get a better price on the Brother (5999), including the 5 x 7 hoop, card reader, Anita Goodesign package, and extended warranty. I've been sewing on it for six months and never had a problem. I've been using Floriani thread for embroidery and mettler, madiera, or superior, for sewing with no issues. I've had several nice TOL machines over the years (Bernina 730E,Janome 11000,Pfaff 2170,Elegante) and this one is my favorite. In fact, I sold the others because this machine has as nice a stitch quality as the European machines and is very user friendly.

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Date: 10/31/09 6:41 PM

I work at a sew and vac that sells both the Ellisimo and Quattro and it is like being a kid in candy store for me. The 4500d is a great machine too.

I am trying to decide whether to get the 4500d or splurge and go for the 6000d.

The Babylock is beautiful, but I am just partial to Disney. Growing up a few miles down the road from Disneyland, has left a permanent Disney spot in my heart.

The auto pivot function on the 4500d, 6000d, and ellisimo is such a great feature, and I agree, the stitch quality is the best I have seen. I tried a Pfaff recently, because I was thinking the idt foot was what I really wanted, but I just didn't see anything better in the functions and stitch quality over the brother/babylock brand, versus the user friendliness and more features for the price of the Brother/Babylock. We also sell the Husqvarna's which seem great, but just not as fun to use as the Bro/Babylock. Can't wait to hear what you decide on.

I keep putting my purchase off just cuz of the big $.

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Date: 11/3/09 8:52 AM

I have owned the Pfaff CV, I have nothing nice to say. My first machine was replaced, and I sold it. My friend is doing great things with it. I hate when these companies bring these machines out too soon and the consumer gets to pay. Pfaff drug it's feet until we got a new rep and she saw the prob. I am not a fan of the Pfaff. I bought the Diamond because I thought my friend & I would sew on it and we would have fun - didn't happen - didn't bond with it - sold it. Bought the Ellisimo and I love it. I have the PR600 and I just love that machine - so dependable. I've had 2 Brother Ult 1 & 3 and I love them also. I think you need to buy by dealer and Disney. I absolutely hate Disney designs and don't want to have them. Babylock was my choice. Isn't it wonderful that we can make these choices?
I've found with all these machines, the Ellissimo is the only one that you can figure out yourself - good luck with the cv & the Diamond was harder also. The Ellisimo/Quattro is intuitive to what you are doing. Also the sound of the machine is so much better. What's with all the clanking from these high end machines. I'm just waiting for Juki to bring out an embroidery machine. I know they did Singer Quantum's (I had one of those too) loved, loved this machine, but the letters where not as good as the Brother. I'm sure Singer had it's say on how it was put together, so I'm anxious for Juki to do one on their own. Juki just came out with the Exceed F600, and it is a marvelous sewing machine.
Can you tell I am an sewing machine aholic? I love these things. You should have seen me when I was in my vintage stage - lol.
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Date: 11/5/09 6:09 PM

Ladies,

Thank you so much for your excellent comments. It is a relief to know that people have been testing the machines and STILL love them!

I downloaded the manual (all 376 pages!!) and have slowly been making my way through it. I have to say that with each page I read, I'm just becoming more and more hooked on this machine.

I haven't made up my mind about the Disney stuff. I guess its ok since I fully expect to make things for future grandchildren! HINT to my DS's!

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Total Stash at end of 2013 -- about 750 yards.
2014 Total Items Sewn -- 1
2014 Total Stash Used -- 2.5
2014 Total Items Embroidered -- 2
2014 Goal: Sew 1 garment per month. Less stash at end of 2014 than at end of 2013.

Machines: Babylock Ellisimo; Viking Platinum 770; Brother 900D
Serger: Baby Lock Evolve

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Date: 11/15/09 9:47 PM

The Brother has a "my custom stitch" feature that allows you to create your own stitches in the machine. Dealer support is also important with these high end machines. I've sewn on the Brother 6000D and it's a great machine.

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Date: 11/30/09 9:48 AM

I finally made a decision and want to thank you all for your encouragement and support.

I chose the Ellisimo, even though I had not started out to get it. Here's the reasons why:

1) I called several Brother Quattro sellers including a local dealer and was unimpressed with their enthusiasm to sell their machines.

2) Financing is important to me. The local Brother dealer had no financing, the Babylock dealer offered me 4 years same-as-cash financing plus a pre-purchase layaway option that I could take advantage of until I was ready to pick up the machine. I've never heard of layaway on a sewing machine (although I never asked about it). Since my basement--and sewing center--is all messed up right now due to our installing a French drain, I wasn't ready to buy the machine. So I went for the layaway, which is completely refundable if I change my mind about buying later.

3) I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE my Babylock dealer. She is very enthusiastic and offers all sorts of classes and clubs. Two weeks ago, she offered a "Fall in Love With Your Babylock" workshop. I went for my new Evolution serger. We learned to use several features of our machines while making a holiday table runner. I had a blast sewing with the other ladies and fell even MORE in love with my serger as I learned to use the newer features. But--and here's the important part--they had Ellisimo machines there, too. And once I got over my shock of how big and heavy they are (ladies, if you want Michelle Obama arms, get one--they're about 41 pounds), I loved the beautiful work they turned out. The local Brother dealer does not offer many classes. My local Babylock dealer's motto is "We sell sewing, not sewing machines." And she proves it over and over with all her classes.

4) Many features not offered by the Brother--My dealer offered me the standard 3-year gold standard repair plan from Babylock for free (you need that on a many bells-and-whistles machine). Plus, she had two options: A. just the machine and gold standard for $5999 or B. the machine, gold standard, and over $8000 worth of Amazing Designs embroidery CD's for total of $8999. I've bought a couple of the Amazing Designs CD's from Nancy's Notions and really like them. The selection of designs that came in the machine package was to die for, IMHO.

5) Support from Babylock, at least from what I've heard from other people, is far superior to that of Brother. They get your machines serviced promptly and if you ever have a problem or question you can ask them directly and they get back to you right away.

So the end result was that I couldn't resist. Package B with the embroidery designs added is on Layaway for me right now. When my sewing center is re-set up, I will go pick up the machine. And if you're wondering about the online manuals, yes, they're the same almost word for word and picture for picture. For some reason, some of the pages don't exactly match in that more may be on one page in one manual than on another, but the test (except it will say Babylock for Brother) is the same as are the pictures. Also, Brother manual color highlighting of blue is replaced with Babylock Gold.

I promise to review machine once I have it and have sewn on it for a bit.

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Total Stash at end of 2013 -- about 750 yards.
2014 Total Items Sewn -- 1
2014 Total Stash Used -- 2.5
2014 Total Items Embroidered -- 2
2014 Goal: Sew 1 garment per month. Less stash at end of 2014 than at end of 2013.

Machines: Babylock Ellisimo; Viking Platinum 770; Brother 900D
Serger: Baby Lock Evolve

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Date: 11/30/09 2:35 PM

Great discussion, and timely for me as I'm looking for a new companion and these have both caught my eye. Not sure I want to spend that kind of money, although DH keeps telling me that he thinks I really need the needle cam :)

I know both are heavy, which is not a problem once it's on the third floor. How long and wide are they? I know you've got "50 square inches of sewing space," but with the embroidery unit attached, I'm wondering how much physical space it occupies?

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Date: 11/30/09 4:01 PM

congradulations Lucy! presented with those options I would have chosen the Babylock to. I will look out for the review. Why buy from an unhelpful dealer if service is a factor. If the discount was alot one way or the other ok but not for same pricing.

Happy Sewing

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