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Message Board > Sewing Machines > Juki HZLF600 Not Made In Japan - Apparently ( Moderated by Sharon1952, EleanorSews)

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Juki HZLF600 Not Made In Japan - Apparently
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Date: 11/16/09 0:54 AM

I emailed Juki Corporation direct and asked where I could purchase a F600 that was made in Japan, and their reply was very clear:

We have only one factory in China at this moment and there is no
Japan-made HZL-F series in the market.

So, apparently Juki are saying the only machines in this line are made in China.

HTH anyone who had concerns about missing out on the Japanese made machines.
-- Edited on 11/16/09 0:54 AM --

ETA: spelling mistakes ooopps
-- Edited on 11/16/09 0:55 AM --

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Date: 11/16/09 1:50 AM

Where did you find the information that the HZL-F600s were made in Japan? Perhaps the prototypes were made in Japan? And mass production overseas?

The only machine I know to be made in Japan is the Janome MC11000 sewing/embroidery series. The "Made In Japan" emblazoned in red though in small text size right below the brand name.

The Elna 9500 does not show "Made in Japan" but rather "Swiss Design." Though the Elna 9500 may not be exactly the same as the Janome MC10000, they sure look very much alike.

I wonder if any of the TOL sewing/embroidery machines from Babylock and Brother were made in Japan. The Babylock Ellisimo? The Ellegante 2? The Brother Quattro? How about the TOL Babylock serger, the Evolution? The Enlighten? The Imagine?

The once TOL Bernina 2500DCET serger/coverstitch combo (and maybe the lower models in this family also) was made in Japan. But now, I'm almost positive that Bernina's current TOL serger/coverstitch combo, the 1300MDC, is not made in Japan. Correct me, if I'm wrong.

My guess is that if a home sewing machine were made in Japan today, it would come very costly to the consumer.

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Dec 2012: 2 yards

Her needlework both plain and ornamental was excellent, and she might have put a sewing machine to shame. ~James Edward Austen-Leigh, about Jane Austen

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Date: 11/16/09 1:55 AM

There is one or two threads about the Juki 600 and there were comments about some sellers who were offering (or at least trying to order) the machines that were made in Japan. Hence, my enquiry to Juki because I wanted to know which retailers were selling the "Japan" made ones.

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Date: 11/16/09 2:38 AM

My Janome 300E embroidery machine was made in Japan, but it was manufactured in 2006. I would be interested to know if Juki is using two different factories for the F600. Realistically, Juki's quality control should be the same, whether the machine is made in China or Japan. But I'll admit I have a bias in favor of Japanese-made products.

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Date: 11/16/09 4:21 AM

It is my understanding that Juki's straight stitch quilt models used to be made in Japan but with the newer straight stitch quilt models in only the last couple of years have been moved to another country (China?) for manufacturing just as the Juki sergers place of manufacturing recently moved from Japan to another country.

My Elna combo coverlock was made in Japan just as some of the similar Pfaff 4800 coverlocks and the Pfaff 4842 serger that I had were from the same factory in Japan.
Now with Janome talking over Elna and Pfaff in with Singer and Viking the country of manufacturing for their new model sergers might have changed also. I don't know if Janome still sells their Compulock combo but I believe that is also made in Japan while most of their basic 4 threads model sergers are out of Taiwan just as most their sewing machines are, unless stated otherwise.

I remember that Bill Holman said there are 2 Juki companies that make sewing machines but I do know tha the Juki Company Inc. of Tokyo, Japan made large industrial high speed industrial overlock machines used in factories and in 1967 the company developed the first household serger that they called the "baby" lock which developed into Babylock distributed in the USA by Tacony.

As for buying a new machine today made in Japan..I am not sure but I think the very well reviewed (Janome) New Home MX (My Excel) 3123 is still being sold on the Allbrands website and I think it was made in Japan. If someone owns one maybe the can check where it was made. I couldn't believe they were still selling them on the site. I think at one time the 3123 was also on the SewVacDirect site but no longer is.
Since the New Home name was changed to Janome..Janome has now made several models like the My Excel 3123 but with different numbers and now made in Taiwan. I think the features of the Kenmore 16231 are also similar to the NH Janome 3123.
I believe the New Home MX 3123 was quite expensive when new..around $600 and since it has been discontinued for a very long time I think sold on line last year for around $299 but I see the price is up to $399 recently around the same price of the newer Janome similar models. The MX 3123 has foot storage in the top of the machine which is nice where some of the newer models don't have that feature.
I always wished that I could see one of these machines. I cannot believe this one is still around NIB but I have no local Janome dealer..and no Juki dealer and can only check them out on line.

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Date: 11/16/09 4:52 AM

Quote: Betakin
I remember that BillHolman said there are 2 Juki companies that make sewing machines but I do know that in 1967, the Juki Company Inc. of Tokoyo, Japan had large industrial high speed industrial overlock machines used in factories and in 1967 the company developed the first household serger called the baby lock which developed into the Babylock distributed by Tacony.
-- Edited on 11/16/09 4:23 AM --

I don't want to add to any confusion and my apologies if I have.

The Juki Corporation I am talking about is the one that has the HZL F-600 machine listed as their product. This machine is also been called the "Exceed" or the "F600". The Juki corporation were the ones that said in an email to me that the machine is not manufactured in Japan. I originally emailed them because people on PR were talking about some sellers being able to ask for the "Japanese made F600". And one person had said they had a F600 which was made in Japan. So naturally people were talking about where to buy the Japanese made ones. I wanted to find out from Juki if there were Japanese made ones available (were certain retailers allowed to sell Japanese made ones etc). So, I guess some sellers and buyers alike wanted to know are there China made F600's and Japanese made F600's.

The answer is: the F600 is made in China, same as the F300 and F400.

Juki Corporation who make the F600 have said there is no Japan made F600's in the "market place". Whether that is good or bad I don't know. I just know that the topic has been raised and many comments were talking about China and Japan BOTH manufacturing this particular machine for Juki. HTH
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Date: 11/16/09 5:21 AM

Geez, I just did a very long post and it would not post..Yes, Jilly, I have been following the thread on the 600. "I" might be the confusing one in my earlier post being I was talking about the other machines plus sergers but I was also talking about machines today made in Japan sort of a reply to Poplin in her above post about what are Japanese made machines today.
I was also thinking of 2 Juki companies one in Japan and one in China..so hence maybe the mixup on where the 600 was made. But now we know they are from China.

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Date: 11/16/09 6:32 AM

Hi Betakin,

Regarding the My Excel 3123. I have a My Excel 3018 model bought in Australia that looks exactly the same as the 3123 and has all the same features like the foot storage in the top. As far as I can tell it is one of the differently numbered models you refer to. It is at least 10 years old. A version of it is still being sold here although I believe it was discontinued and then started up again. I don't know where the newer versions were made but my old machine was made in Taiwan.

I love my machine although I don't have much experience on different machines to compare it with. It does everything I ask of it. And yes I believe it was comparatively expensive when I bought it as I believe it cost more than the lower end computerised models. The new version is still the most expensive of the mechanical machines.

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Date: 11/16/09 10:22 AM

I find this interesting because I also have been drooling over the machine and following all of the other threads. I only have the opportunity to buy one new machine and have posted other questions without any answers....this was one of them because I found it confusing on the other threads.
If anyone DOES have this machine, the back it should state where it was made, what do they say? ... pretty please ;)
I also asked about using heavier thread in the bobbin and on top. Last night I cut in half a bathroom rubber backed rug to make one smaller (they didn't have the size I wanted for a set)
I wound a heavier thread on the bobbin, same thread on top and tried to use my Kenmore 19606 with a 100 top stitch needle. It worked on the sample material but on the actual rug with rubber backing my upper thread would fray when trying to make a stitch and I gave up using that machine. I put same needle, thread, etc. in my Pfaff 7570 and it handled the job and I finished last night.
I really would be interested to know if the Juki could handle this type of sewing (abuse )
I also have purchased a lot of wonderful feet for my Janome made Kenmore and wonder if these can be used?

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Date: 11/16/09 11:49 AM

Isn't virually everything made in China or Czek Rep now? Janome & Elna may be Taiwan? Even industrials are China? During my recent industrial machine shopping experience, I was told by many to buy used because of this. IDK if the new ones are really bad or not, but I followed the advice.

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