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Date: 12/12/10 1:28 PM

Anyone using PMB5? Are there fit improvements? I'm thinking of purchasing, and would love to hear other's opinions.

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Date: 12/12/10 2:47 PM

Are you talking about Wlid Ginger's PMB (Pattern Master Boutique)? I'm not sure what PMBS is. There are lots of reviews for this software, if it is what you mean.

For some reasons, my links aren't working. Search under PMB for the most reviews. There are also a few listed under Wild Ginger and a few under Pattern Master Boutique, too.

I have this software, and although I like it, I usually use commercial patterns. There is a learning curve on using the software. I have few fitting challenges with regular patterns.

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Date: 12/12/10 3:22 PM

Patty, yes I was talking about Wild Ginger PMB 5. They just came out with a new version. I have been wondering how much I would use it, assuming I got it to fit. I do love patterns, but have so many different fitting adjustments to make. You mention you usually use commercial patterns, is it because of the learning curve?

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Date: 12/12/10 4:14 PM

PMB V5 did change a couple of things as far as measurements go. They got rid of shoulder length and opted to let shoulder width do the job..which make sense. It's where you want the tip of your shoulder to be.
The neck opening just controls neck size, but don't get hung up if it seems smaller than what you are..measure the circ. Another change a lot of folks noticed is the front neck is wider than in V4..depending on your personal needs this could be good or bad. I'm okay with it myself.
Shoulder fit in general seems better and I DID make a new sloper for V5 to get advice from tech support.
Another major change I noticed was the bodice dress draft is now far straighter at the waist seam. In V4 with the same chart I had a dip in front..not sure if this is good or bad yet as I've not tested it. I have a belly so logic would say the dip was good, but I'm focusing on the no waist seam fit since that's what I wear 90% of the time..ie..blouses & tops. * shrug*
A new measure they added was bust radius, but it's only used for the strapless bodice. I was hoping it'd effect the empire style too,especially for the opt of the upward point in the front. I used a circle with that radius when I drew that in the CAD editor in V4. Not a big issue for me really..but for anyone really busty might want to double check to see if the auto drafted curve will work for them.
I've had PMB for 2 yrs now and admit I'm just getting the hang of finding out what works for me without having to bug tech support. Another person who really did an awesome write up on her V5 experiance is Sew 4 Fun. If you look up her Blue Strokes blouse entry it details things she did and why. Very helpful. :)

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Date: 12/12/10 5:29 PM

I guess it is the learning curve. I have used it. I've made several a-line skirts from PMB that fit well, but I really haven't figured out how to use the pattern editor part of the software. I don't have difficult fitting issues, so I can usually do fine with regular patterns. I lengthen a bit. PMB4 (or PMB3) doesn't have sewing instructions. Even though I have sewing experience and sometimes do not do as the instructions say, I like the security of having instructions for anything but the simplest items. The patterns I have printed out have been fairly simple anyways since I'm not adept at editing the patterns. Regular patterns just seem easier to me, and I really like a lot of available patterns.

Perhaps I will start using it again. I like the concept of printing my own patterns. But then there are so many commercial patterns that I want to sew. So its the combination of the learning curve, my own impatience and lack of confidence on not having instructions, lack of need for specialized fitting, and the lure of a wide variety of low cost and interesting commercial patterns.

Many people make wonderful garments using this program. Wild Ginger does seem to offer lots of support through it's website. I'm sure I could get it to work better for me if I were more motivated.

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Date: 12/12/10 7:02 PM

Are there fit improvements. Well, yes....but perhaps not as dramatic as the jump between PMB3 and PMB4. I'd used PMB3 maybe less than a year when PMB4 came out, and it made a huge difference.

However, there have been quite a lot of changes to the fit of PMB4 since it was first released via updates. My impression of PMB5 so far is that it works more smoothly and intuitively, and there are so many more styles. It is not exactly an update from the software point of view, I understand that it has been transferred to a different programming language and therefore rewritten.

I was happy with PMB4, so I'm surprised to find myself liking PMB5 so much - user-friendliness is obviously a big part of this. The sewing guides are very, very, VERY different from PMB4. Much more like a commercial pattern, and much more accessible at all points of design.

The impression I get is that Wild Ginger looked hard at the "Ms. Ordinary Jane" user sector, and made a really big effort to make life easier for us. People like me, who have sewn on and off for quite a long time, but never challenged ourselves or been major sewing enthusiasts, are drawn to PMB because of fitting issues.

We either forget or never knew the more sophisticated sewing techniques, and we've done little or no manual pattern drafting. The LITTLE I had done helped me a lot, and the new sewing guides and bigger range of "off the shelf" styles makes everything easier, but there is no getting around it, this is pattern DRAFTING made easy, not a collection of patterns with custom options. Yes it DID take me a while to get into the habit of thinking about how low the armscye should be for this or that style, or how to shape the collar...but there are defaults and there is plenty of help.

If I could buy retail patterns easily and at reasonable prices, perhaps I wouldn't have made PMB work for me...I still wear the first PMB garments I made, but on the other hand, I'm also still learning! Tellingly, I wear some imperfect PMB garments (I tend to be impatient with waistbands, cough cough) because they fit so well that nothing else is as comfortable.

I don't use the CAD side as much as I could, but the online courses are now downloadable and can be worked through at your own pace, so I'm looking forward to learning more when I have more time.

Facebook page has a lot of screenshots that you can enlarge and inspect at your leisure!
http://www.facebook.com/wildgingergal

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Date: 12/12/10 10:33 PM

I just made my first couple of garments with PMB5 and they turned out great. I've been using the software since version 2 and there is a learning curve. Once you get the settings down, there's lots you can do with it.

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January 2009 to January 2010 81 yards out and 71yards in January 2010 to the present 106.7 yards out and 146.5 yards in. January 2011 to the present: 47 yards out and 69 yards in.

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Date: 12/12/10 11:37 PM

Dotmoll you said it well.
It definitely describes the thinking we have to adopt for this type of software. I LOVE the CAD editor..it'll do all the standard pattern manip functions like dart transfer, slash & spread, etc. with far greater accuracy than I can by hand. I've used it for cosplay costumes and plushies too. If you want to try out hand drafts from books, - like Armstrong or De Castro's Patternmaking in Fashion, the CAD editor (PE) is great for that too.
I think it took me a week to learn the CAD editor functions..what's taken 2 years is learning which ones to use for what and how to make decisions to find a happy medium between personal fit and designing. And you are designing..even if you have a photo or technical sketch, it's still a judgement call on how much ease YOU need in what areas with whatever fabric to achieve the same look as the model on the pattern photo does.
I really didn't care so much about the sewing guides added this time around. I have a ton of books and commercial patterns to reference already. The only one's that I found necessary were the style choices unique to the software..like how they do their twist top, it's not the same as most commercial patterns. The same goes for their lapel collars, but I bet the Hotpatterns have instructions for that ( an excellent tut for it is on Pam Ermy's blog for Hotpatterns lapel). I imagine it's as you say Dot, they wanted to help those who might not have these resources... plus it's something that My Label does.
I'm still learning too, but in my case it's a more enjoyable journey with software than without.
ps.. I 'm not dissing you guys who hand draft..you ROCK. I just have a gnats patience for plotting points and have lot of 'do overs'.

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Date: 12/12/10 11:47 PM

I saw those,- they came out well.Was it smooth sailing?
I've made the pointed up front empire style top in knit and aside from having to rotate a dart it didn't turn out half bad. The only issue that came up was I found I should to wear my empire tops closer to fingertip/tunic length because I'm short and stocky. It just looked better proportionately.

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Date: 12/13/10 10:34 AM

Hi, Quick question..... do you think it is easier to use the program if you have the Hellen Joseph Armstrong book? I upgraded to V5 and am debating on my Xmas present as being this book. I was hoping that the book would give a starting point as far at the armhole settings, neck settings etc.

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Beth

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