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Top thread getting bunched up in bobbin case.
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Date: 12/30/10 9:22 AM

I have a Singer Golden Touch & Sew 750 which I purchased at a thrift shop. The machine ran beautifully for a while, but now suddenly it will sew for about 4 inches and then the top thread gets all tangled up in the bobbin case, jamming the machine. I have tried various brands of thread because I did read where the machine is finicky but to no avail. I have taken some pictures to show the issue:

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I have removed the bobbin case and blown out any dust, oiled the machine and tried re-seating the bobbin case, changed the needle, and tried everything I can think of! What is going on???


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Date: 12/30/10 9:35 AM

Usually when thread gets tangled around the bobbin like that, it is a problem with the upper thread, not the bobbin.

Some things to check:

rethread the machine entirely, making sure that your thread is firmly seated in the tension mechanism; also make sure that you are threading exactly according to the manual.

Make sure you are threading with the pressure foot UP, otherwise the thread will not sit correctly in the tension

You can also clean your tension with a bit of dental floss if you need.

Other folks on the board may have some additional advice.

Beyond that, I can say that of the vintage singers, the touch and sews can sometimes be problematic; touch and sews have been called "touch and swears" by some. I have one of a slightly later vintage that I keep only for sentimental reasons, I have not yet attempted to repair it.

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Date: 12/30/10 10:42 AM

Thank you Michelle,

It never occurred to me that it might be the upper thread. I will re-check the threading. Boy if it were that simple...

The thing is, when I first got this machine it worked flawlessly. Then, halfway through a Halloween costume this problem started. I had to borrow a friend's Bernina to finish it. Wow, it was like driving a Mercedes Benz; but I can't swing the high price tag.

In a fit of desperation I actually went out and purchased a brand new Singer Heavy Duty 4423 last week. After trying it only 1 time, I returned it when the feed dog switch on the back broke and the feed dog wouldn't come back up.

Since I was 14 years old I have been a loyal Singer sewer, but have always owned vintage ones. It seems that the new ones (and there are so many models, how do you pick one??) are cheap and flimsy feeling. It's disappointing.

If I were to spring for another new machine, I have no idea which brand would be best - for a reasonable price. I'll check this forum for posts on recommendations!

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Date: 12/30/10 11:09 AM

No problem. I am a vintage girl, too. My main machine is a Singer 401, but I also regularly use my 503, and 301.

In my opinion, the singer 600's are about where they started to turn the corner and become problematic. My singer 603e is similar to your touch and sew (has a wind-in-place bobbin, etc.) and has been extremely reliable, but my Singer 756 (very like your machine, but has a turquoise faceplate) has been very problematic. Tension problems, thread nests, just frustrating.

If you can't afford a brand new machine, I have found that my 401 (a $75.00 find on craigslist) is incredibly reliable, and being an all-metal machine, just needs a little oil from time to time. You can also usually find 403s for even less...they do everything the 401 does, you just change the cams manually; the 401 has an internal cam stack.

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Date: 12/30/10 11:29 AM

Fantastic! There are some things about the 750 that I love - like the wind-in-place bobbin. I will probably never use the fancy stitches; most of my sewing is plain straight stitch, sometimes zigzag.

Also the fact that the machine is in a cabinet and came with a chair with storage seat. It used to be (I think) that you could put any Singer in the cabinets, but the new ones don't even have that option.

I'm about to try re-threading my machine to see if I can diagnose the issue. I'll let you know how it goes!

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Date: 12/30/10 11:54 AM

OMG IT'S WORKING! Michelle - you totally nailed the problem!

As you suspected, I was not putting the thread correctly in the tension discs!

I went ahead and cleaned the discs out also with some dental floss, and re-threaded carefully according to the book.

At first the upper thread started breaking, so fiddled with the number dial a bit and FINALLY it is sewing continuously without jamming!

I think what happened was, when I first got the machine - which is in mint condition with every accessory - I was unfamiliar with it so had to thread it according to the book. Then I let it sit a while and when I needed to use it, I THOUGHT I knew how to thread it but obviously forgot the little hook on the right side of the tension discs.

I can't thank you enoughYou've made my day!

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Date: 12/30/10 11:58 AM

Wonderful!!!

I am so glad it worked!

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Date: 12/30/10 3:54 PM

I checked the manuel for that Singer 4423 and it doesn't mention this...but just in case you ever get another new sewing machine...with most sewing machines that have feed dog drop they won't come up even after the feed dog switch is reset until the handwheel is turned toward you one turn then they come up with an audible pop/clunk.

It's great that the jam problem was discovered and resolved. PR is a grand place.

Just for a FYI...another little tip that will help with thread jams when trying to remove the fabric at the end of sewing a seam or whatever: when you've come to the end of sewing...before the presser foot is lifted up and before the fabric is removed...by turning the fly/handwheel by hand if needed...position the thread uptake lever in its highest position...then positon the needle just every so slightly down a bit, then (after raising the presser foot of course) pull the fabric out from under the presser foot toward the back rather than toward the left side.


EDT: Forgot to praise your wonderful thrift store find...what luck.
You may never want or need another sewing machine.
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Date: 1/1/11 10:40 AM

Quote:
Just for a FYI...another little tip that will help with thread jams when trying to remove the fabric at the end of sewing a seam or whatever: when you've come to the end of sewing...before the presser foot is lifted up and before the fabric is removed...by turning the fly/handwheel by hand if needed...position the thread uptake lever in its highest position...then positon the needle just every so slightly down a bit, then (after raising the presser foot of course) pull the fabric out from under the presser foot toward the back rather than toward the left side.
This is what I call "finishing the stitch" and is an excellent tip. Thank you for posting it.

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Date: 1/1/11 11:56 AM

Quote: madunlap
but obviously forgot the little hook on the right side of the tension discs.

My tech told me that when my (778) sm was new, the salesmen demonstrated a threading method that often, but not always, caught that hook and many people had trouble bc they weren't threading correctly. I can remember my salesman teaching me this faulty way to thread.
Even after I had owned my machine for 25 years I would still sometimes miss that hook and think ''What a lousy machine.'' After the tech set me straight on what a great sm it really is IF I thread it correctly, I love it!
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