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Date: 7/8/11 11:48 AM

I looked at all of the reviews, did my homework, and went to test drive the Babylock Coverstitch machine yesterday. It performed well on all of the samples of fabric (thanks PR members for that valuable lesson).

The problem is that my local dealer wants $1150 for this machine. According to the reviews, most sewists in the US bought their machines for $700-$800. He was willing to come down "a little" ($50-$100) or throw in the binder attachment.

I am thrifty. I know I can say I deserve this and "it's only money, I can always make more" (our family motto). BUT, I just don't want to pay hundreds of dollars more for the exact same product.

Any suggestions for how I can approach this? My job requires working with the public and I really detest pushy and demanding behavior. How can I get closer to what I want without being obnoxious?

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Date: 7/8/11 12:00 PM

Mine was about $1000.

Ask if he can throw in other attachments too or maybe a wheeled carrying case.

Also look at the Janome Coverstitch -- it has more room to the right of the needle. And it costs less. Really there is no need for airjet threading for such a simple machine.

I got the Babylock because the Janome dealer in my area was no help at all.

Don't be afraid to ask. Its not pushy.

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Date: 7/8/11 12:35 PM

I wonder if this is one of the Babylock products that can be covered by their Gold Standard extended warranty program. In the past that was not transferable but (check on this) I think the dealer said that now it is transferable if you trade back in to your selling dealer. The Gold Standard warranty is pricey but could have good value for you if it was thrown in. Also wondering if they have a workbook to go with this machine. Babylock has great, after purchase workbooks. They are expensive too but very, very worthwhile. You don't have to be pushy, just firm. Everything is like this now, even buying a refrigerator! Think as if you were out car shopping and handle it that way. Allow that your community may be smaller and that he needs a little bit more profit in order to sustain his shop and thereby insure that there is a shop there for you. Consider looking for an aggregate savings of $200 to $250 and allowing for some profit for him. He may also be short of qualifying for volume sales discounts. And, of course, as at a car dealership, you can walk away. It may be worth a drive into a bigger community or asking a friend somewhere else to check into pricing for you. You know from dealing with the public that you can be polite while being firm. He can choose to sell to you on terms that are agreeable to you, the purchaser, or not.

Hope you are able to work something out.

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Date: 7/8/11 12:54 PM

Take all of this with a grain of salt, b/c I would completely wimp out and not even try, but here goes. :D

I know this is hard with sewing machines (where manufacturers don't post their MSRPs anywhere you can see them, and some dealers don't even reveal them until you walk into the store), but if you can find several ads or places showing the much lower prices, that might help your case. "You realize that the going price for this machine is closer to $800, right?" That sort of thing. (This is probably more helpful if you can point out a specific dealer--online or otherwise--where you would buy *instead.*)

Also, do you have anything you can trade in?

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Date: 7/8/11 1:23 PM

I have found that letting the dealer know you're willing to pay *cash* to walk out the door with it today can make a difference too. Perhaps an envelope full of hundreds or fifties may entice the dealer to soften on his price. This also let's him know you are serious about the purchase. Just be sure you don't bring much more cash than you're willing to part with though. I hope you get the deal you're after.

Ann in Calif.

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Date: 7/8/11 1:27 PM

I'm no good at negotiations either! But, I do have to agree with some folks, that the price totally depends on the dealer and his/her location. Some truly are volume dealers and can charge less. On the other hand, although I really do post what I actually paid for a machine before taxes, many folks fudge that a little, I'm sure.
Ever have a friend claim that they negotiated a car price down to some insane price? We had a friend claim an unreasonably low price on a truck back in December, before gas went up as it has. We bought one from the same dealership a month later, same sales guy, and let's just say I KNOW our friend is lying - or just leaving out the trade in difference!

I have two BL dealers. I bought my Enlighten from the one farthest out, where the price was $200 more than the local dealer. I just didn't like the local dealer for many reasons. I called the other dealer and told her what his price was, and she said there's was $200 more, and that he wouldn't stay in business at that rate. They had other perks which appealed to me, so I paid more and went further out. And, they are a volume dealer. They managed to get Nancy Zieman and Babylock in for a fabulous seminar, and that's why.

Said shop owner is no longer selling machines - he just repairs them, and is selling those fabulous industrial Jukis. He is an expert tech, and works on industrials too, so I'm sure that he's still doing okay. But this proves she was probably right -perhaps his profit margin was too low on machines after all.

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Date: 7/8/11 2:09 PM

This is very true. They have to pay the CC fees, and many dealers have to pay part of or the whole finance charge when there is some free interest promo with in store credit.
I got a reduction on the price paying cash two times, two different dealers.

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Date: 7/8/11 3:56 PM

It sounds like there is a $350 to $450 difference in what you think is fair. You work hard for your money. How many hours extra would you need to work for $350 to $450? Is the machine worth that many hours of work to you?

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Date: 7/8/11 4:59 PM

Barb, I happened to look at a Babylock coverstitch while out on the road Wed. The saleslady told me it was on sale for $1299, normally $1600. I'm glad I saw your post and these prices because I know now I will definitely NOT be getting any Babylocks there! FWIW, she also quoted the combo serger/cs at $2800. I haven't done any price research yet, only brands and models, so that CS price was quite a shocker. I know this doesn't help with your question, but wanted to let you know the price I got.

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Date: 7/8/11 5:57 PM

Quote: MNBarb
According to the reviews, most sewists in the US bought their machines for $700-$800.

How old are these reviews? Babylock did increase prices across the board a while ago.

My machine was a floor model which brought the price down to one of those reviews you reference. I let the dealer know I would pay cash that day if he met the price I was after (he did and I did).

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