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Message Board > Sergers, Coverstitch and Blindhemmers > To knob or not to knob... ? ( Moderated by CarolynGM, Deepika)

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Juki MO734DE or 654DE
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Date: 1/12/12 11:18 AM

I am trying to decide which of these sergers to buy. I know each of them has very satisfied owners.
I looked at the Bernina1150 this week at my Bernina dealer's and it was sale priced at $1200. I can get the Juki 734 for almost half of that on line and it has almost all the same features - even the edge loop adjusting knob). However, even though I have used a serger (for overcasting only), I am wondering if this machine would be overwhelming without lessons ? The inside of this machine (lower looper threading) with its channels looks very strange ! One review on PR gave me the feeling that it had so many "helps" on it that it could keep you from seeing the forest from the trees.

I have also looked at the Juki 654DE and it gets even "rave-er" reviews. It is also about $200 cheaper and comes with a full set of feet, thread, etc.

I guess I'm trying to decide if the knobs would be a pain. Someone said that fabric catches on them and thread is easily pulled from them. The Juki site seems to perfer them, however. Also, how well do the videos that come with these machines explain the threading and techniques ? I don't even have one Juki dealer in my state.

Does anyone have any thoughts on these machines ?

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Date: 1/12/12 11:34 AM

My original serger was a Bernette 335. When I wanted a new one that I could afford & was easier to thread, I got the Juki 654DE & have not regretted it. I did buy the workbook too. I think it is much easier to thread than my Bernette as there is a small tab to bring the lower looper forward for threading.

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Date: 1/12/12 2:50 PM

Julia, have you ever done a rolled hem with your machine on sheer or very light-weight fabric ?

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Date: 1/12/12 4:19 PM

I have on practicing but I don't normally do them. You just move the little lever to pull the finger back & adjust the stitches I believe. Very easy.

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Date: 1/12/12 4:30 PM

I have the Juki and it is a fabulous machine. The knobs cause no problem. It is easy to thread; I always completely remove all threads when I make a change rather than pull the threads through.

I have made rolled hems and worked on sheer fabrics with no problem. In fact I am about to mend a friends chiffon ball gown which she ripped by getting it caught by her high heels.

I have also experimented with the blind hem foot but didn't find that as satisfactory as doing.

I debated about getting and evolve self threading serger but decided on this one and haven't regretted it.

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Date: 1/12/12 4:48 PM

I have the Juki 734. I really like it. I can't speak for the knobbed version. It's so much easier to thread than the Huskylock was that I used to have. I makes a great overlock. I've not done much rolled hem with it. I did some on a netting and it did a pretty good job at that. The netting itself was a little hard though, but I think it was just the fabric, not the machine. I was a little put off by the the thread catching on the knobs comment myself. I went with the 734, and am not sorry.

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Date: 1/12/12 7:11 PM

I have the 654DE and LOVE it. I use it almost as much as my sewing machine. I'm a puller through threader myself, but the directions right on the inside of the door make it easy to do. Also, there is a lever inside that allows the tricky part to come out into view for threading. I didn't get any lessons with my machine and haven't had any problems in all the years I've had it. Oh, except the ones I've created by sewing over pins. The knives were never the same until I replaced them.

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Date: 1/16/13 9:53 AM

Thanks for starting this thread! I've also gone back and forth in my own mind on this debate. I've read so many positive posts about the 654 and how easy it is to thread, some even saying they liked their Juki sergers better than Baby Lock air threaders they had previously owned, but I also saw the comments about the exposed thread being caught on fabric. I love the idea of having a built in trim catcher that comes with the 734, but then wonder if it's worth the extra money! Just from looking online, it seems that the 734 would be easier to thread than the 654, with the lay in thread guides. Sadly, there are no Juki dealers near me.

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Date: 1/16/13 1:33 PM

Mine came with a great CD to watch the threading on the computer. Very easy to use.

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Date: 1/16/13 2:01 PM

I have the 734, and it does not have the edge loop adjusting knob as you mentioned. It has a micro safety switch which keeps the motor from going on when the door is open. Most newer sergers have that. Some people market the machine to make you think it is the same feature as the Bernina. Not nice! I am well satisfied with my machine and have had knob and lay in tension machines. I prefer the lay in because it is cleaner and out of the way. The knobs are right in the front and exposed and can get linty. I tie on to change threads and think the machine is a breeze to thread the other way too. It has a needle threader which I don't normally think is necessary, but it is hard for your fingers to get at the needles because of the shield that protects your hand from I don't know what. I use the threader but you have to get the hang of it. As for the trim catcher, I have a fabric one that I hook to the machine because I serge so much, but it's nice not to have trim drop to the floor or in your lap.

Regarding rolled hem on sheers, I do this all the time. The three thread works well, but I think the 2 thread rolled hem is beautiful on sheers. You have to monkey with tensions, foot pressure, stitch length and width sometimes. Just about every fabric has its preferences. Once you find the right settings, make a sample, record them and serge.

Regarding dealer support, that's a tough one. The manual is not the greatest, Juki site is not the greatest, though they seem to be improving.The wealth of knowledge is on this site and there are many helpful people who can walk you through things. I don't know about the dvd but there are Youtube videos on the Bernina that are helpful. I downloaded the Juki manual and just about memorized it before I got my machine online. That made it more familiar to me.

Hope this helps. Good luck.

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