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Have you seen Craigslist's warning about SOPA, PIPA regs?
(is it as dire as it's purported to be?)
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Date: 1/18/12 6:07 PM

Wherever you live, when you click on the Craigslist for your choice of city, you'll see a little warning and there's a link for further information. The information seems to be saying that if the SOPA and PIPA reg's are enacted, it could have the potential to cripple the entire Internet (for us in the U.S. I guess, anyway). And that it would be impossible or difficult to re-sell things the way we currently can. Are things as dire as CL is warning, or do they just have some vested interest for not liking the regulations?

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Date: 1/18/12 7:40 PM

Google, Wikipedia and other sites also had warnings up today. It was a co-ordinated effort.

Basically the proposed laws makes the website owners financially responsible for any links or content that is not legally obtained, even if it's a link to a server in another country. For an outfit like Wikipedia, which cannot possibly verify and police all their content, it means basically shutting down. This is being done in the name of protecting the owners of intellectual property but it is basically throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

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Date: 1/18/12 7:54 PM

It is an overreaction by troglodytes in Congress who probably have no idea what the internet is anyway. It will mean that if ONE link or ONE user of a site or domain is doing something perceived as or in fact criminal, the entire site, domain or ISP could potentially be closed down and held liable - probably a deep seated fear of the freedom that the internet now has which is one of the things we want to safeguard. It will not help with the real problems of piracy and porn, etc. for which there are already penalties and laws. It is probably instigated by several very influential corporations, and the record and video industry. Surely our Congress has more pressing things to do. War, pestilence, famine, jobs, hunger, disease - all these come to mind.

For a rundown here is a good link:

SOPA Explained

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Subject: Have you seen Craigslists warning about SOPA, PIPA regs? Date: 1/18/12 9:04 PM

Yes, it is as big of a deal as they say it is.

If one person were to post a pictures in the forums here at PR, that violated copyright, it means PR could be shut down, simply because someone complained about it. The website is guilty until proven innocent.

I have been reading quite a few comments over in the Etsy forums about this. Sellers who rely on Etsy to earn a living are terrified, since etsy as a whole could easily be shut down.

Hopefully our out of touch lawmakers will shelf this terrible proposed law.

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Date: 1/18/12 11:08 PM

Whoa. So it is a big deal. This doesn't even sound like a logical, thoughtful proposal from a modern, Western, first-world nation. It's like...what's the word I want...I'm thinking of iron curtain and silk curtain...it's like a spider's-web curtain shutting the U.S. off from trade with the world via the free market's connection with the internet. I'm speechless.

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Date: 1/18/12 11:18 PM

Quote: Mufffet
It is an overreaction by troglodytes in Congress who probably have no idea what the internet is anyway. It will mean that if ONE link or ONE user of a site or domain is doing something perceived as or in fact criminal, the entire site, domain or ISP could potentially be closed down and held liable - probably a deep seated fear of the freedom that the internet now has which is one of the things we want to safeguard. It will not help with the real problems of piracy and porn, etc. for which there are already penalties and laws. It is probably instigated by several very influential corporations, and the record and video industry. Surely our Congress has more pressing things to do. War, pestilence, famine, jobs, hunger, disease - all these come to mind.


Call me cynical, but all of those better things they have to do is why they are wasting time on this bill. I think that they thought it was going to be easy - to please some large contributors and slide this under the radar. And this way they can look busy and still not have to deal with the many serious matters facing this nation.

The politicians, of all political stripes, ages, genders, ethnicities, you name it, are craven cowards, unwilling to do what is necessary for fear of losing the next election and actually having to go work for a living. They feather their own nests and the hell with the future. They all make me sick.

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Date: 1/18/12 11:53 PM


Dear Disillusioned in Wisconsin.

Take heart.. keep the faith.. and stayed tuned.. I heard a recent rumor that poorpigling is about to declare her intentions to run for the position of PREZ Of The United States..

Pretty sure that would be the USA of North America.. not the United States of South America.

And I do believe as President of the Panty Review club... she will be running on the Pea Party ticket..

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Date: 1/18/12 11:55 PM

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Call me cynical, but all of those better things they have to do is why they are wasting time on this bill. I think that they thought it was going to be easy - to please some large contributors and slide this under the radar. And this way they can look busy and still not have to deal with the many serious matters facing this nation.


Yup. Right on target. Same on the municipal level - my city just did this: Lowered the city-wide speed limit from 30 to 25 and decided to try to ban smoking downtown out of doors.....absolutely a ridiculous waste of time and a dodge to get around actually trying to think and work on housing, jobs, the sky-high tax rates etc. Maybe all the problems are finally just too too much on a global scale also.

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Date: 1/18/12 11:58 PM


Yes, it was a coordinated one day strike of sorts.

But heck.. on the bright side.. I am sure the same people who will be responsible for shutting down our net sites.. may be those already employed and doing such a fine job getting rid of our SPAM.

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Date: 1/18/12 11:59 PM

As pigling's appointed campaign mangler - errr...manager, I will be seconding whatever the heck she says...if she does say anything...vis a vis issues of the day -

So it's

PORK IN EVERY BARREL and PINK IN EVERY ROOM
TIME TO VOTE FOR PIGLING and LIFT THE NATIONS GLOOM!!!!!

PIGLING IN 2012!!!!!!

[PS - pigling - start a new thread.....we have lots to do here....]
-- Edited on 1/19/12 0:00 AM --

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