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Date: 2/25/12 1:58 PM

I just discovered Oregon Patchworks!!!! OH NO! The "add to cart" button is working overtime. And I was just taking a little break from tax work...good grief!!!! So-o-o-o you have to pick which format you want for a lot of these designs. In the past I always got multiple formats and did not worry about it. It seems the newer Bernina's use .exp or .dst...so I was wondering about what to choose. I found out that ART is the best to use for Bernina's because it transfers more info than the .exp or .dst formats do. ART is universal for Bernina. There is even a warning on the Bernina website about .exp not having as much info as it is a commercial format. Just FYI. The person I confirmed this with is a former commercial digitizer/embroidery guru and now a Bernina dealer so he knows what he is talking about.
I have the v6 software so I imagine all the goofing around I do with an ART formatted design goes to the USB stick machine specific.

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Date: 2/25/12 10:09 PM

From what I understand reading the Yahoo group, it totally depends on what software was used to digitize the design. For instance if it's a Grade D Art file, it won't be any better.
The best thing is to ask the digitizer what software they use to digitize. If they use Bernina, great, then their ART will be a higher grade, like A or B. If they use Brother's software, download the file in PES and let your V6 convert it, and you'll typically get a better stitch out than purchasing a grade D ART file.

I personally hate exp. I can't stand not being able to see the colors in my software - even if I have a print out of the stitch chart, it's still too disconcerting. And it's a hassle to go in and change all the colors.

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Date: 2/27/12 0:28 AM

Embroidery formats ate confusing. Even though the 630, 640, 830 use .exp (deco 340 also), I always like to purchase designs in pure .art format. To get this I purchase usually from OESD since the designs are digitized as OBJECT BASED designs and therefore have more flexibility in rescaling while still keeping the original stitch properties. Other brand designs are digitized in software programs that are STITCH BASED and can generally not retain original properties off the stitches when you try to rescale. If you want to stitch them out as is, it's probably ok, changing in any way can cause problems.

A design originally digitized in pure .art (object based) can be easily converted to a stitch based design nut not the other way around.

Finally, if using .exp files, try to make sure you send them to a USB stick or machine through V6 software, even if all you have is v6 Artlink. For Berninas to read the colors, it is sort of "clustered" with a bmp file and a png file. The ping file is for the colors. That is why you get wonky colors if you just select an .exp file and drag to your USB stick. Open the design in software, click on the sewing machine icon and selects the machine it's USB. It will convert the design as needed for your selection and still retains the color information. For the Deco 340, the software will also place the design in an Emb5 folder that enables the deco to read the design.

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Date: 2/27/12 6:43 PM

WOW, thank you. As I have only trusted OESD up until now, I will find out if getting these designs from oregonpatchworks are as user friendly. Having the V6 software should make them more flexible...I hope. OESD has been fabulous to manipulate with my software. Let's see if these others are OK. It was really good to find out that getting the designs in .exp would have been difficult because as you say the thread color info is not transferred. Even though I normally change colors I really want to know what the design was meant to look like before I change. As I am not really experienced in this I would prefer to not have too many nasty surprises as I begin to venture a little further from "home" (oesd) Now I will look out for the terms stitch based or object based.

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Date: 2/28/12 0:33 AM

You probably won't find those terms, per se, but you will know stitch based designs if you see the same design offered in different sizes. As far as I know, Bernina and OESD are the only home consumer designs that are digitized as object based. Basically meaning that each part a design is considered an object not just stitches. W object based designs, an entire design may be 5,000 stitches but you can enlarge that design 200% and the software will build in the stitches necessary to have the larger design look like the original. Of course, the are limitations to everything but that is the general principle. You can also choose any portion so a design and change that object's stitch properties with just a click of a button. I love v6!
Other designs are great and I have enjoyed using them. I just pretty much use them as is. Upon opening a design, if you get a message that says there will be limitations in resizing, you are working with less than pure .art designs. When that happens, I generally limit my resizing to about 10% down and about 15%upwards..

Have fun.

Kim
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Date: 2/29/12 3:10 PM

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That is why you get wonky colors if you just select an .exp file and drag to your USB stick. Open the design in software, click on the sewing machine icon and selects the machine it's USB.


So let me see if I have this straight. If I'm downloading from emblibrary for instance, then I have to download onto my hard drive or USB first. I do that, then open it in V6. Make any changes, then in order to get it to my machine I must put it on my Bernina stick, so I click on the sewing machine icon and select my machine's name? I've never clicked on the sewing machine icon before. I always do a *file, save as* and save it to my hard drive and then the Bernina stick after that.

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Date: 3/2/12 8:14 PM

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[QUOTE]That is why you get wonky colors if you just select an .exp file and drag to your USB stick. Open the design in software, click on the sewing machine icon and selects the machine it's USB.




So let me see if I have this straight. If I'm downloading from emblibrary for instance, then I have to download onto my hard drive or USB first. I do that, then open it in V6. Make any changes, then in order to get it to my machine I must put it on my Bernina stick, so I click on the sewing machine icon and select my machine's name? I've never clicked on the sewing machine icon before. I always do a *file, save as* and save it to my hard drive and then the Bernina stick after that. [/quote]


Yes, that's correct. By using the the software to send designs to your BERNINA machine or stick, the software converts the design that your machine can read. For designs originally digitized in .art, all designs converted to .exp will retain proper colors.
For designs originally digitized in other software programs, I THINK that is still true but I am not sure about that. My experience with other designs has been minimal. If you have V6 software, you can match all colors to the closest color to your favorite brand thread.
For those who have other machines, I think the FILE>SAVE AS is the method used.
-- Edited on 3/6/12 2:45 PM --
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Date: 3/2/12 10:55 PM

Hope you don't mind, I want to group this thread in with some others so it is easier to find when I'm ready to wrap my brain around it.

Future search term berninanew830thread

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Date: 3/30/12 9:37 PM

If you have a condensed object editable stitch format design, made in any software, (and almost all software makes those, if you want to do that there, that way) and bring it up in the same kind of software, then everything remains more object orientated and block editable in that software, even though your software is at your house, and the person whom made the design's software is at their house instead. Does have to be the same kind of software each time though, as in matching makers and compatible files such.

So I use the condensed editable stitch format of that, which happens to be .art in a condensed format, on a OESD design to do that with, even though I have zero/just no paid for at all ever, Berninia software or machines at all. Just because I like the old Laurel Burch animal designs that OESD and Bernina used to make. And sometimes I will resize them that way,or could, in order to do that with any OESD sold kind of design, that was made in Bernina software, you just get the design in that format. And then afterwards run it though the free OESD Magician Sizing by Simon program to do that. The resizing part. And save out to any other expanded stitch only kind of format for any machines, of any brand. I think that program even used to come on all some or all of the Bernina/OESD real CD's. That is where I'm sure I got it from. Not sure if it does or not on some of the newer ones though, as since Laural Burch has died quite a few years ago, and no more Laurel Burch ones from those places because of that, I have not been buying current Bernina/OESD embroidery designs either.

There are some other embroidery design places that also give you their actual condensed object editable designs on their multiple format embroidery design CD's.

I noticed all my purchased from Anitagooddesgin ones are like that too. They happen to make theirs I think in Pulse software, so they do give a native condensed embroidery design in native condensed Pulse format there too. If you had the same software as them, you could do anything you want, native condensed software wise with it, for any machine. If not, then they also give you a little program to open it and enlarge or reduce it with, if you really want to, and then convert to your own (whatever that happens to be) more stitch based only kind of expanded only design. In that case, I think the one they give you on those CD's (at least on mine) was the Pulse Ambassador program, just because then your condensed native designs, would be in Pulse formats on the design CD.

Another embroidery design place that used to do that, was the Amazing Designs, kind of embroidery designs. I'm pretty sure those were all Pulse made too. And they also used to give you a little free program to do that with.

But any and all places could always do something like that, if they wanted to. If they don't, it's just because they don't want to. Just because all the major software makers most times have free little design viewers and converters that also re-size in their very own native condensed stitch formats.

I think a lot of people just don't want to bother to do that at all though, and also everyone is so horribly paranoid about someone "stealing" their embroidery design, they often somehow think, if they are the only one having their one and only "condensed version of it, that somehow that won't happen. But I don't think that is true at all. And instead they should be thinking if they make it a bit easier to resize nice and easy for people, without having to run it though a more foreign kind of stitch processor, people might even buy them more.

Even with all that though, things are only re-sizable in a pretty limited way,no matter what and up to certain point though, as you can't (or don't want to) get a satin stitch too wide to sew out good, or straight stitches, too tiny, even if they do keep about the same stitch density. Works best on more flat step fill areas.

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Date: 4/23/12 5:08 PM

I'm new to embroidery and Bernina. I want to download some designs from https://www.embroiderydesigns.com/Profile/download.aspx?OrderNumber=2298692&pg=1&ipp=16 to my usb stick. They give many formats to chose from. I have no idea what to chose

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