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Date: 4/5/12 12:10 PM

I'm making a dress to wear to DB's wedding, and have decided on a slip dress of blue silk charmeuse, with an overdress of a lighter-weight printed silk charmeuse/chiffon (yes, that's right, it was woven with a pattern of see-through chiffon areas in the charmeuse, and then overprinted with cream roses on blue/purple/green background). Really, it's beautiful fabric, prettier than my description.

Dry cleaning is recommended, of course, but I prefer to avoid the chemicals and the expense, and generally hand wash my woolens & silks. The salesperson said I could just sew it up and then wash it gently later, said that it wouldn't shrink. Is that true? I don't mind the hand changing, just don't want it to shrink... and I think it would be easier to cut & sew if I don't have to wash it first. Please advise!!

Still looking for the right pattern...

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2011 fabric in: 55 yd.; sewn: 21 yd; given away: 20 yd
2012 fabric in: 60 1/4 yd., sewn 25 1/4 yds, given away 16 yds, thrown away 3 yds scraps; UFOs completed: 7
2013 fabric in: 28 yds; sewn: 25.7 yds.; given away: 5 1/2 yd.s; projects 8, UFOs 4

2014 fabric in: 21.5 yd
2014 fabric sewn: 7 1/2 yd
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Date: 4/5/12 1:25 PM

I don't think I've had silk charmeuse shrink, at least not much, but many silks are dyed with dyes that are not colorfast in water. Especially the print you want to make sure it won't bleed.

Test a swatch for shrinkage and colorfastness, then you will know for sure.

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Date: 4/5/12 2:31 PM

I second the swatch recommendation. Check it for shrinkage, loss of color, sheen etc after washing against an unwashed swatch. Check it again after the drying. Better to know than to spent all that time and money only for it to be ruined.

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Date: 4/5/12 3:45 PM

Do you have extra to play with? I would definitely want to try a gentle cool wash with a swatch that was big enough to really check it out. Marci Tilton has changed a lot of her fabric descriptions to include instructions now to cut a full four inch strip across the end of the fabric and then cut that piece in half. Half of the 4 inch strip is preserved with no pretreatment and the other half is pretreated. Then compare the two.

The reason why I asked if you had 'extra' is that from your description, it seems that the fabric might present challenges. If the fabric was washable, you may want to stabilize it before working with it. But I would surely want to try the various methods out on fabric samples before treating the whole piece of fabric.

There is a pool of threads that have been earmarked with information on how to sew with your fabric if it falls into the tricky category.

In the Search Board function to the upper right, search these two words with no space in between, forming one long 'word'

chiffon thread (remember, no space between the two words)
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leave the name of the poster blank

You will find Lena Merrin's information on stabilizing with gelatin as well as other ideas on stabilizing.

I just added in some hints I found on laying out muslin on the cutting table under the fabric to help keep it from sliding around and pouncing the cutting lines in with a chalk bag to help with cutting when the fabric starts to shift.

Try the search, I think it contains most of the tips for working with your fabric in a condensed listing.

Best wishes.

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Date: 4/5/12 3:56 PM

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I don't think I've had silk charmeuse shrink, at least not much, but many silks are dyed with dyes that are not colorfast in water. Especially the print you want to make sure it won't bleed.

Co-signed. I've not had trouble with silk shrinkage, and good quality charmeuse doesn't really change hand after washing, but almost all the silks I've hand-washed bled to some extent, some to the point they had to be thrown in the garbage because they were never going to stop bleeding and would turn me colors if I tried to wear them. Test a swatch, and if the print runs you're probably going to have to dry clean.

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Date: 4/5/12 7:03 PM

Thank you!! I think I'll sew up my two dresses, then try washing a swatch out of the scraps to see what happens. Worst comes to worst, I just have to dry clean the dresses... and hopefully, the fabrics are fine and I can hand wash.

Thanks too for the help in finding posts that describe how to handle silk... I looked earlier in "knowledge base" and didn't find much.

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2008 fabric in, 23 yards; sewn 20 yds; given away 6 yds
2009 fabric in 41 1/4 yds, sewn 29 yds, given away 22 1/2 yds
2010 fabric in 91 1/2 yds, sewn 27 yds, given away 1 1/2 yds;
2011 fabric in: 55 yd.; sewn: 21 yd; given away: 20 yd
2012 fabric in: 60 1/4 yd., sewn 25 1/4 yds, given away 16 yds, thrown away 3 yds scraps; UFOs completed: 7
2013 fabric in: 28 yds; sewn: 25.7 yds.; given away: 5 1/2 yd.s; projects 8, UFOs 4

2014 fabric in: 21.5 yd
2014 fabric sewn: 7 1/2 yd
2014 fabric given away: 8 1/2 yd
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2014 projects started:
2014 UFOs completed: 8 (5 small gift bags, pieced & quilted table runner, maxi dress, silk infinity scarf)

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Date: 4/5/12 7:12 PM

I pre-wash pretty much all my silks because I don't want any nasty surprises after the garment is finished--and washing is so much nicer than dry cleaning in many ways.

Another reason to pre-wash, however, is that most silks will 'spot' if they are not pre-washed and water accidentally gets on them. This would really show up on your solid blue charmeuse, though probably less on the printed fabric.

Personally, I would test-wash a big swatch before construction.

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Date: 4/6/12 1:05 AM

Do I have this right? If a silk is washed, it won't be affected by a drip of water, say from an iron? I've never heard that, but good to know. One of my Rowenta irons spits and the other doesn't.

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Date: 4/6/12 3:19 AM

According to Janet Stoyer in her article about sewing with silk in Threads Magazine,

"All fabrics are treated with sizing to keep them looking fresh and to keep them on the bolts evenly. But it's the sizing that causes the fabric to spot if water is splashed on it, because the sizing evaporates when wet. Prewashing usually eliminates the problem and makes sewing easier as well."

Threads Magazine, page 36, issue #4.

I have never--never--had problems with any of my silks water-spotting after being pre-washed. However, if you are using anything but distilled water in your spitting iron, you could still run the risk of a stain due to minerals dissolved in the boiling water.

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Date: 4/6/12 7:23 PM

Stoyer's article is kind of a stunner, isn't it? But consider that silk was worn in rainy weather--and washed in water--long before dry cleaning was invented.

The cleaners or clothes handlers of the time simply un-sewed the simple rectangles that made up a kimono, washed the pieces in a process involving water, and then sewed them up again.

Considering the social and artistic value of these garments--plus the fact that it rains a lot in Japan--it is hard to believe that the silk would not have been treated so as to prevent waterspotting before the exquisite garments were made and displayed to the public.

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