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Gaping Armhole How to fix a gaping armhole in a vest without a bust dart
Annieq   Advanced Beginner CA USA Member since 7/29/06 Posts: 113	Login to reply to this post Like this post Date: 5/21/12 1:02 AM I am making View A on Butterick B5359 and I am having a problem with a gaping armhole. I usually do a 3/4 inch FBA on my patterns but this vest has no bust dart. So I traced the shoulders and neck one size smaller than the sides and adjusted the pattern with the Gale G. Hazen, Fantastic Fit for Everybody book method. Made another muslin. The armhole still gapes. I could go ahead an create an armscye dart or I could rotate the dart to the shoulder.The Sandra Betzina method of easing in the fabric won't work on this pattern for me because I am making it out of linen and the dart is too large. I guess with no bust dart, there isn't another way to fix this, right? -- Edited on 5/21/12 1:06 AM --
AdaH   Intermediate IA USA Member since 11/21/09 Posts: 2133	Login to reply to this post Like this post Date: 5/21/12 1:21 AM I often have the same problem. You could add a dart? Vest really do fit better with a dart. If you are set on no dart then on your muslin pinch out a dart starting at the armhole then go to nothing at center front. Then transfer this to your pattern front. -- Edited on 5/21/12 1:23 AM -- ------ Ada
Annieq   Advanced Beginner CA USA Member since 7/29/06 Posts: 113	Login to reply to this post In reply to AdaH << 1 member likes this. Date: 5/21/12 1:39 AM AdaH, I could add a dart. I guess an armscye dart would be less noticable than a shoulder seam dart.
Annieq   Advanced Beginner CA USA Member since 7/29/06 Posts: 113	Login to reply to this post In reply to AdaH << Like this post Date: 5/21/12 1:41 AM Hmm. I'm curious though about the method you described. I don't quite understand.
Miss Fairchild   Advanced USA Member since 8/24/02 Posts: 6985	Login to reply to this post In reply to Annieq << 1 member likes this. Date: 5/21/12 7:39 AM Quote: I guess with no bust dart, there isn't another way to fix this, right? -- Truly, there are "darts" in this, but they are in the form of fullness rather than an actual stitching line. I have to do this with some patterns as well (I have very rolled shoulders which create a "valley" near my bustline). Rotate the fullness of the dart to the hemline, then remove this amount at the sideseam, keeping the same shape. On the side seam, parallel to the tip of the dart is where you start to remove the fullness and taper that down to the hem. ------ "We don't impose our rhythm on Nature. The key is to respect and live within Her." Jean-Charles Boisset, Winemaker "And no, now that you asked, I didn't enjoy that play one bit, and I'd like a refund" Signed, Mrs. Lincoln My Etsy shop: auntmaymesattic My blog: auntmaymesattic.wordpress.com Avatar: First place award for jacket at county fair
JTink Intermediate VA USA Member since 4/20/08 Posts: 4800	Login to reply to this post Like this post Date: 5/21/12 9:18 AM Miss Fairchild had the same idea I did I think Debbie Cook has an illustration of this method. I just don't know how to get to it. I add a dart if it's a woven. The fit seems a little better and a dart in a woven is not the "neon sign" it would be in a knit(although I've used them in knits as well, with no problem).
Annieq   Advanced Beginner CA USA Member since 7/29/06 Posts: 113	Login to reply to this post In reply to Miss Fairchild << Like this post Date: 5/21/12 9:57 AM Well this is the Fabulous Fit for Everybody method. I did do that and the gape seemed to remain. Gale Hazen descibes this change as adding a "hookedo" at the underarm. I must have done it wrong.
Patti B   Intermediate OR USA Member since 9/29/02 Posts: 2247	Login to reply to this post In reply to Annieq << Like this post Date: 5/21/12 10:12 AM I have the gaposis problem with most vests (or anything else with shoulders!) due to sloping shoulders. Could this be your problem? If so, try angling the shoulder seam towards the armscye and see if that takes care of it. ------ Patti R-r-r-ripping my way to fitting success
Annieq   Advanced Beginner CA USA Member since 7/29/06 Posts: 113	Login to reply to this post In reply to Patti B << Like this post Date: 5/21/12 10:52 AM I do have sloping shoulder and a shallow chest. I did correct for that by adjusting the shoulder seams and re-drawing the neckline to lie closer to my chest. It creates a narrower V down my center but hangs off my shoulders and on my chest better. I just tried to do the "hookedo" method again too (thinking I must have done it wrong); the type described by Miss Fairchild. The same thing happens when I smooth the fabric near the armhole or the shoulder seam; the cut edge of the fabric must swing in at a sharp angle so that the shoulder seam width becomes very narrow or the armhole cut edge swings very low. I guess with my large bust - US size 40G, I'll have to do a short, wide armhole dart. It probably won't be visible under my arm anyway. I was just sure that by adjusting the flat pattern I could get rid of the dart. I think I saw a Kenneth King article in Threads that gave me that idea. -- Edited on 5/21/12 10:54 AM --
tourist   Intermediate BC CANADA Member since 7/23/07 Posts: 5411	Login to reply to this post Like this post Date: 5/21/12 11:03 AM I can sometimes fix this by pulling the front shoulder seam up a bit - more on the armscye side and tapering to the neck line. I've saved a few RTW items this way. ------ http://bgballroom.wordpress.com to follow the progress on my next ballgown.

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