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Message Board > Miscellaneous > Colorado... again?! What's the world coming to? ( Moderated by Deepika, EleanorSews, CynthiaSue)

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Date: 7/20/12 2:59 PM

This morning when I woke up, my husband told me about the tragic events at the movie theater in Colorado. He headed off to work, and I found myself immediately headed to my sewing room. To my vintage 1926 White Rotary, which smells of sewing machine oil and reminds me of simpler (safer) times. Times when you didn't have to worry about gunmen in schools and theaters. Times when you could kiss your children good-bye, sending them to what you believe is a safe and harmless place. I lost myself in the steam of the gravity feed iron and the beautiful cotton sundress, trying to both grasp the news reports and tune them out at the same time.

After breakfast, my kids and I headed out to run errands (library, Costco, and Joann's of course). Can I tell you that I paused for more than a few minutes considering whether or not I should actually put my CPL (concealed pistol license) to use today, as I suddenly feel so very vulnerable. I acquired it to appease DH, and rarely ever carry my pistol, but find myself thinking, "If it can happen in a movie theater, it can happen anywhere."

Joann's was a welcome distraction, finding lots of pretties to soothe my anxiety. A 99 cent pattern, some cute cotton for my daughther, and some colorful rayon to brighten my mood... Yes, I did remember to pick up the necessary lining and notions that mitigated my trip! I'm eager to start these new projects and immerse myself in a world where I can actually control the outcome.

I'm still so very sad for the losses suffered by thoses families in Colorado. I want to cry for the Mom who was looking forward to making her daughter's wedding dress or some flannel pj pants for her son. I worry for the potential future security changes, like the "lock down procedures" we've had to practice ever since Columbine. It's all so scary, frustrating, and sad.

Thanks for letting me vent. My iron is heated up and ready for my return...
Kristine in Michigan

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Date: 7/20/12 3:38 PM

In Switzerland every military age male is required to have a gun and know how to use it. Bear spray would work too!!!!! Maybe
that is the answer...a movie full of bear spray owners!

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Date: 7/20/12 3:49 PM

It is very sad. And yet, when I hear about things like this, I like to focus on the extreme rarity of these things. Millions of people went to the movies last night and every night in perfect safety and comfort and enjoyed their show. I don't want to lock myself in a hermetic bubble because some wackaloon decides to do something like this. And I remind myself of the old saying: "Ships in harbor are safe, but that's not what ships were built for." This country is still an extremely safe place to live.
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Date: 7/20/12 3:56 PM

Well said, Welmoed.

Edited to add: I'm reminded of the McDonald's tragedy in San Ysidro, CA in 1984 where many children were killed while attending a birthday party. This behavior has been going on for some time and we tend to forget that it has.
-- Edited on 7/20/12 4:20 PM --

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Date: 7/20/12 5:20 PM

One of the very worst incidents of this type in the U.S. was the Bath School Disaster in Bath, Michigan, in the--you'd think--more peaceful and rural days of 1927.

The Unruh Killings in Camden, NJ in 1945 claimed 13 lives.

In a quiet suburb of Santa Barbara, CA, in 2006, Jennifer San Marco a postal worker, killed a neighbor and then six of her co-workers at the postal station.

If you google the phrase 'mass murders USA,' you will come up with a surprising number of mass murders, and it turns out that the phenomenon is not exclusively recent, and it is neither urban nor rural. It primarily related to mental illness, especially paranoid schizophrenia.

However, it is true that the number of mass murders has increased in the last twenty years or so, and it should be noted that the treatment of mental illness has radically changed in that time.

Beginning in the 1960s, as an outgrowth of the Civil Rights Movement, people who had been confined to mental hospitals were 'deinstitutionalized' and--because of lack of funding and organization for treatment--were pretty much on their own after that. They were left, essentially, to wander the streets. There was no longer any mechanism (and no incentive) to follow and vigorously treat their illnesses.

That situation continues to this day. Because of legal constraints regarding civil rights, even those who are a danger to themselves and others cannot be held against their will or involuntarily committed unless they have actually been charged with a crime. Hence, mentally ill people who may be dangerous but keep a low profile until they explode are essentially invisible until it is too late.

As has been pointed out, these outbursts of violence are fairly rare, so most Americans are indeed generally safe, but it is a pity that for the mentally ill who are known by their family or friends to pose a danger (and there is always someone who knows something), there are no preventative measures that can be taken.






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Date: 7/20/12 6:01 PM

I was stationed in Denver at Fitzsimmons in the 70s & I felt pretty safe. ... I am just still feeling some shock over this. .... Hard to believe some NUT would go to this extreme for who knows why!

As other's have pointed out we cannot live in fear. There are drive by shootings all the time too but we still go to the store, post office, get gas....... We have had 8 bank robberies in the area in the past 6 weeks, I still go to the bank. ......

I am glad that sewing has brought some comfort today....

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Subject: Colorado... again?! Whats the world coming to? Date: 7/20/12 10:08 PM

So sad. So incredibly sad.

The question is how to prevent the next one. I don't see how arming regular citizens would have helped in this situation. The movie theatre was dark. Had another guy started firing at the shooter--who was dressed all in black and had on bullet-proof equipment--it would just have confused things, and the good samaritan himself would probably have been shot by the police.

The killer bought all of his guns--an AKA-47 clone, plus a shotgun, plus two other guns--legally, at local gunstores.

I can't see any way around the fact that it is too easy to get guns. Our country is flooded with guns. I don't have any answers; I just know we have to start dealing with that issue.

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Date: 7/20/12 10:48 PM

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The killer bought all of his guns--an AKA-47 clone, plus a shotgun, plus two other guns--legally, at local gunstores.

I think Sudafed purchases are watched more carefully than gun purchases. Four guns in a 60 days, no problem. But keep an eye on that woman with the Kleenex and the history of decongestant purchases...she's up to no good.

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Date: 7/20/12 11:03 PM

This is true. I was raised in a hunting family, and have spent a fair amount of time in gun shops and shooting ranges, and my sense is that those who sell weapons (often retired law enforcement themselves) have excellent radar for those who are unstable or up to no good. Yet they will happily and legally sell weapons even to those who 'smell' wrong to them. The guy in Colorado bought multiple weapons, all legally, because even though he no doubt radiated full-bore nutso, he had an absolutely clean record and no association with questionable groups. In legal terms, there was no reason not to sell to him.

However, closer control of legal sales will not solve the problem of shootings, although we wish it were so.

Any person who is determined to buy a weapon can do it illegally with such ease that people would be stunned. Your 13 year old son is never going to admit this to you, but he knows pretty well where to go and whom to see in his town to buy unregistered weaponry.

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Date: 7/20/12 11:12 PM

hmmm...I know, make insanity illegal! That'll stop 'em.
ETA I don't mean to make fun in a horrific tragedy but I just don't think any laws would have helped in this situation. The kook will get the weapons no matter what and when the good folk are left without means of self defense it would make matters worse...IMO. The reason I mentioned the bear spray is Wildlife Defenders found that bear spray is 98% effective in bear encounters whereas a gun is 56% effective.
The problem with reporting people who look a bit off is this would turn us into a huge Big Brother society...maybe we would call each other "Citizen" or "Comrade"
I am not sure there is a real answer to this. I just do not think you make the world completely safe without making it almost intolerable to live in.

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