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Message Board > Sewing Machines > New to me Bernina Dealer ( Moderated by Sharon1952, EleanorSews)

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Date: 8/18/12 8:44 PM

A new Bernina dealership opened this last July, and I had a chance to visit them today! They are less than half the distance of 115 miles to my current dealer, so I stole a moment to go. It was unfortunate their Bernina instructor and store owner were on vacation this week. I wish I had a chance to talk prices and so forth, so there was no wheeling and dealing going on, as far as I was concerned. But at least they let me sew on an 820 to see what is like to sew on a 9mm machine. I couldn’t tell much difference than the 7mm Janome feed but the decorative stitches were definitely larger. I did not bring a fabric packet for testing so I will have to return. There is a big Bernina financing promo in September. I am half tempted and getting kind of antsy about saving for a new machine. I wonder if it would be better to go for the 550 and trade up to the 750 later after it has been out for some time. They will not get any 630’s, even though Bernina is still sells them.

So anyone with a 5.5 and 9mm Bernina have any comments about sewing with the larger feed and any real disadvantage it may have I would love to hear from you. I know there were a couple threads on the board here about that… I will have to go read. I am really interested in that 750 because of the duel feed, and larger throat. The tech said he really liked the new hook… it is a big improvement over the current CB hook. He said it was quieter, smoother with excellent stitch quality… he said this is Bernina’s new hook that may eventually replace the CB but that is long term ahead and not in the near future… I thought he was gutsy to say that.

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Date: 8/18/12 9:42 PM

Personally, I'd skip the 550. Will you be keeping your 240? If so, you don't really need to worry about weaknesses of a 9mm machine.

From reading the yahoo groups, I strongly suspect that all 9mm Berninas feed differently. The feed dogs of the 8 series, 580, and 640 are each a little different. I read one report that the 7 series has the same feed dogs as the 8 series. But other things might be different, so I think test sewing is the only answer.

If I were in your shoes, I'd either wait for the 7 series or find a 630/635. Or go for an 820, but seriously, the 750 might suit you just find for thousands less.

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Date: 8/18/12 10:37 PM

Wow, a new dealer closer to home is fantastic. I hope you get time to talk to the store manager and the instructor this coming week. Can you call them and chat with them?

I understand your hesitation in getting a new 7 series right off the bat. There could be problems that time will work out and you could avoid those if you wait. Maybe there will be no problems at all and they will be fantastic machines. Time will tell.

What exactly do you want in a machine? I know you have the 240 you love. Do you want an 8 series, a 7 series or can you go to another dealer (115 miles away) and get a 630? Do you really wan the 550 or just buying it "for now"???

Do you want embroidery or not? I tried the 450 and those 9mm stitches were indeed impressive on this older machine. Just think what the new ones will look like!
The Tech likes the new hook system. That is good news to hear.

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Date: 8/19/12 8:25 AM

I have had the 820 for three years and love my machine. I have not had any difficulty with the 9mm feed. I will change to my 5mm throat plate when I want to have a very straight line for top-stitching. Bernina deallers usually have special deals on the 820 and 830 on Aug. 20 and 30. You can read my review of the 820 at 820 Review

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Date: 8/19/12 7:35 PM

I own the 550 and the 580E. There's no question that if I could only keep one (which is likely) that it would be the 580, even though I won't use it much for embroidery (Bernina's embroidery isn't on a par with Viking and Babylock TOL's). But I am simply enthralled with the feel and sound of this machine. It's just such a pleasure to sew on, and seems so powerful, sure and fast. The securing stitch will automatically cut threads for you...love love that! Drawbacks are that it swallows fabric (I don't own a straight stitch plate yet for it) if you like foot 37 for piecing, so I've been keeping the 1C foot on and moving the needle to the right to solve that issue. I'm also waiting for the update that will correct the extra stitches it takes when changing direction. I have stitched out several decorative stitches, didn't even bother with stabilizer and they were wonderful. There is a double leaf stitch that is really classic and beautiful and looks amazing, as the stitches are kind of "stepped" in its formation. I know it will end up on many of my projects.

The 550 is a very nice, well behaved little guy and I prefer its styling to the 580, but it has no thread cutters due to the narrower stitch width; that also means the decorative stitches are barely noticeable. (Perhaps if you sew a lot of doll clothes they would be fine.) One pro for the 550 is the larger bobbin size (compared to the 580). It also comes with the walking foot (a really great one) and the the stitch regulator (which I can't really warm up to). You'd want to add a walking foot for the 580.

My plan is to enjoy the 580 and watch what happens with the 700 series. Bernina has a history of problems, some very serious and aggravating, on new releases. You could start now with a 5 something, then if your dealer offers full value if you trade up within a year you could take advantage of that once the 7's prove their merit.

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Date: 8/19/12 8:07 PM

Is it the actual stitch-outs that you feel are better on the Babylocks/Vikings for embroidery? Or is it the options on the machine? Very curious about this...

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Date: 8/19/12 9:28 PM

I definately plan to keep the 240, I love that little machine. Her buttonholes are perfect. I will have to go to the Yahoo group and see what I can learn there... I have a membership but haven't been active. I know the 8 series has a different feed than most other Berninas and I do like the CB hook and the stitches it produces. As for 9mm - I will have to bide my time until I can do some serious testing. I think I will have to wait... I was not really interested in the 5 series as much because they seemed too much like what I have in features already. I have my name on the list for a 630 if one comes along at my dealer, north. But I have not heard from her since the Vermont Quilt Festival. I suspect that maybe folk who might let go of a 630 as trade, may be saving to for when the 7's come out.

As for the 8 Series, they are more machine than I want and cost way more than I want to spend. I am pushing my limit as it is in considering a 7. But I think they will not be too far for me to stretch. If I got a call from my dealer tomorrow about a 630, I would have to think hard on this... the sound of a 10 harp and duel feed at least allows me to keep those features I already have with the 6600. I had thought before that if I got a 630, I'd keep the 6600 too but I might let it go if the 7 really sings to me.
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Date: 8/19/12 9:44 PM

I'd wait to see how you like the 7 series. You know what a trade in means -- easy -but a money sucker.
I have the 5.5 and the 9mm from Bernina, and I like them both. The 5.5 with cb hook is quiet and smooth, and goes around small spaces and curves a bit better. The 9mm with rotary hook is a bit louder, but still produces near perfect straight stitches.

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Date: 8/19/12 9:46 PM

I sewed on 7mm Janomes for over 10 years. When I looked at the Bernina's, I really did not know whether to go with the 5.5mm or 9 mm. I was actually a bit intimidated by the 9mm. I had so much problems with the fabric being sucked down into the 7mm plate, I thought it would be much worse with a 9mm so I went with the 5.5mm. I rarely have fabric sucked down into the 9mm. Not sure why but it happened all the time on my Janomes, but not the Bernina's. About the only thing I do not like about the 5.5mm machines are the decorative stitches and smaller harp. I am used to at least 7mm wide and the 5.5 decorative stitches were just too small to suit me. Plus I had a larger harp with my Janomes, so that seemed small to me. With that said, I personally see no disadvantage using a 9mm. It is no different than the 7mm, IMO. Of course the 5.5mm probably goes around curves better since the foot is smaller, but then again, I am used to 7mm so there is no difference to me and I can navigate curves just fine with the wider foot. The dual feed and larger harp are great features as are the auto thread cutter and extra large bobbin so the 750 would be tempting.
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Date: 8/19/12 10:09 PM

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Drawbacks are that it swallows fabric (I don't own a straight stitch plate yet for it) if you like foot 37 for piecing, so I've been keeping the 1C foot on and moving the needle to the right to solve that issue.


I suppose a SS plate would be required with a 1/4 inch foot on a 9mm machine. It would annoy me to no end to have to readjust the needle position every time I sat to piece blocks. I suspect a memory setting would take care of that. It would depend on where those feed dogs lay under the fabric and pressure foot. On my Janome the edge of the O foot was right in the middle of the feed dogs, on the right side, so at least it grabs the fabric and moves it along. I have never really had piecing issues with my Janome and so it will set a standard for me when I go testing. On some days I prefer it to my 240 because I can adjust the pressure foot pressure. That's another reason I want to upgrade, is I want adjustable tension and pressure foot.

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Bernina has a history of problems, some very serious and aggravating, on new releases.


That's unfortunate... I know the 830 had issues in the first release but I know it was fixed. I had not heard of problems with the lower two models of the 5 series and nothing about the 3 series. Bernina is smart to have USB connections to its higher models so that updates can be made. The tech I spoke to said there was a great deal of excitement and enthusiasm from experienced techs at Bernina University about the 7 machines. I am hopeful here but perhaps lessons from and corrections to problems with the 8 machines and the 580 have been incorporated into the 7. Let’s keep fingers crossed

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