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Superior Masterpiece changing from 2-ply to 3-ply Am I the only one who is disappointed?
TessKwiltz   Intermediate TX USA Member since 9/21/07 Posts: 1319	Login to reply to this post Like this post Date: 8/21/12 8:36 PM "MasterPiece was originally a #50/2-ply thread. Even though the fibers are the absolute highest quality extra-long staple Egyptian-grown cotton, #50 is a fine thread and when two strands are twisted together, the result is still a fine thread. It is not intended to be a high-strength thread, but a fine, delicate, blending thread. Because sewing machines are being factory set with increasingly tighter tension, unless one overrides the auto-tension feature and manually loosens the top tension, many machines will break a #50/2-ply cotton. On most home machines, we recommended setting the top tension to 2.0 when using a #50/2-ply cotton such as MasterPiece. Getting that word out has been difficult. We realized it would be easier to strengthen the thread than to educate the world, so over a year ago we started the process of changing MasterPiece from a 2-ply to a 3-ply cotton. The newer 3-ply MasterPiece is marked as #50/3 on the label and is a stronger thread but not much heavier than the original 2-ply type because we put a nice, even, tight twist on it. The new 3-ply type does not require much tension adjusting." I liked the original Masterpiece for piecing, it was a nice fine thread for accurate piecing. Has anyone here had trouble with it breaking? My machines all like it. ------ Tess On threadpainting flowers: "How many colors are in a flower? ... How many do you have?" - Ellen Anne Eddy
Mufffet   Intermediate VT USA Member since 8/14/05 Posts: 8925	Login to reply to this post Like this post Date: 8/21/12 8:48 PM I use it for bobbin thread when quilting anything - if it is now going to be stronger (and Bob says it is!) then it will likely make a really nice top thread as well - I shouldn't wonder! I love Masterpiece and have used it when using King Tut/C&C Variegated/C&C Cotton on top at different times of course. Always the Masterpiece in the bobbin makes for great stitching. ------ "Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible." --Dalai Lama I have sewing machines
TessKwiltz   Intermediate TX USA Member since 9/21/07 Posts: 1319	Login to reply to this post In reply to Mufffet << Like this post Date: 8/21/12 8:54 PM I'm sure it's stronger, but my concern is the "not much thicker" part. For quilting it probably won't matter, but I like a very fine thread for piecing. Aurifil still makes a 50 wt/2-ply and I think I have some. I'll have to compare. ------ Tess On threadpainting flowers: "How many colors are in a flower? ... How many do you have?" - Ellen Anne Eddy
Warbler   Advanced VT USA Member since 4/15/07 Posts: 2580	Login to reply to this post In reply to TessKwiltz << Like this post Date: 8/21/12 9:00 PM They have already done it. I went to my thread box as soon as I read this post and looked for the oldest spool of Masterpiece I could find and then a spool I bought this summer at VQF. there is a very slight difference. I have been piecing with Masterpiece for many years now and I have never had it break. I have even used it in machine quilting. Sigh! ------ Janome MC6600 Bernina 240 Juki MO735 Singer 201-2 Singer 221-1 Singer 15-91
Warbler   Advanced VT USA Member since 4/15/07 Posts: 2580	Login to reply to this post In reply to TessKwiltz << Like this post Date: 8/21/12 9:03 PM I have a spool of Presencia and Aurifil and sometimes use them for piecing. They compare very much to the original Masterpiece. ------ Janome MC6600 Bernina 240 Juki MO735 Singer 201-2 Singer 221-1 Singer 15-91
TessKwiltz   Intermediate TX USA Member since 9/21/07 Posts: 1319	Login to reply to this post In reply to Warbler << Like this post Date: 8/21/12 9:06 PM There's still some left Masterpiece 2-ply. ------ Tess On threadpainting flowers: "How many colors are in a flower? ... How many do you have?" - Ellen Anne Eddy
TessKwiltz   Intermediate TX USA Member since 9/21/07 Posts: 1319	Login to reply to this post In reply to Warbler << Like this post Date: 8/21/12 9:07 PM Do you use the 50 wt Presencia or the 60 wt? I have looked at the 60 wt and wondered if it would be strong enough... ------ Tess On threadpainting flowers: "How many colors are in a flower? ... How many do you have?" - Ellen Anne Eddy
Franksdottir   Intermediate Member since 4/25/08 Posts: 2410	Login to reply to this post In reply to TessKwiltz << Like this post Date: 8/21/12 9:54 PM I have quilted with Masterpiece and never had it break. I piece exclusively with Aurifil which I love to bits and which also doesn't break. I am sure that the Superior people know what is happening in the industry, but I only can report my own experience. ------ Barb
TessKwiltz   Intermediate TX USA Member since 9/21/07 Posts: 1319	Login to reply to this post In reply to Franksdottir << Like this post Date: 8/21/12 10:14 PM Quote: Franksdottir I am sure that the Superior people know what is happening in the industry, ... Well that's the thing, most of you probably have noticed that I am a cynic and always add a grain of salt to what's being said by someone who's selling me something. Even corny old Bob. I just can't help but wonder if it's the longarmers that are having a problem with the 2-ply, as that seems to be the business they are aiming at most of the time. I was just wondering if any of us had breakage problem with the Masterpiece 2-ply on a regular sewing machine because I never have... Seems like for us they fixed something that wasn't broke... ------ Tess On threadpainting flowers: "How many colors are in a flower? ... How many do you have?" - Ellen Anne Eddy
Warbler   Advanced VT USA Member since 4/15/07 Posts: 2580	Login to reply to this post In reply to TessKwiltz << Like this post Date: 8/21/12 10:14 PM No problem with the Presencia. I started using it last winter because it came on a cross wound spool and my 240 seemed to like it. Nice accurate 1/4 inch seams. I have never tested it for quilting yet and doubt that I will because I like Masterpiece so much. I had heard good things about the Presencia for years but never found it locally until recently. I have a half an artbin case of Masterpiece... I am not really making a change but wanted to test other brands. I have only one spool of Presencia and one Aurifil. Aurifil is nice and I like it well enough but it is more expensive that Masterpiece. ------ Janome MC6600 Bernina 240 Juki MO735 Singer 201-2 Singer 221-1 Singer 15-91

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