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Date: 9/1/12 3:25 PM

If I have Embird, and am somewhat proficient with it, is there a great advantage to getting the Viking Design 5D professional software? I'm looking at upgrading from a Kenmore Ergo Elite to a Viking Topaz. The dealer is offering a discount if I buy the Design Pro at the same time.

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Date: 9/1/12 3:46 PM

I have both Embird and 5D pro but I find Embird easier to use to edit and digitize designs. I find I use the 5D program only for doing the writings with the built in alphabets.
I think it all depends on how good a deal your dealer is offering you

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Date: 9/1/12 5:28 PM

She told me $1100, if I buy it with the machine. Essentially, she will discount it by the price of the plain Designer 5D, since that is currently included with the machine. I haven't played with my Embird for quite some time - I've been busy with elderly parents the past few years. But it can't have changed that much. When I contacted them at Embird, they told me I can upgrade to the new 2012 for $65 and that upgrades to my digitizer studio and sfumato are free.

I'm on a reasonably tight budget, but if the Designer Pro is easier to use, our produces better results, maybe it's worth an extra $1000?

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Date: 9/1/12 7:18 PM

Surely the $65 is worth doing for Embird.
I think in the end you have to think what you will use in the software, only editing or digitizing too? Do you want to do cross stitching?
If you only edit designs bought from sites then 5D pro would be perhaps too much and you would find Embird or 5D extra all you want to need.
I personally don't think 5D is easier to use than Embird but perhaps it's just me.
Instead of spending the $1100 on the software have you thought of spending that money on a better machine like the Ruby or the creative performance? Just my thought here as these machines have a larger screen than the Topaz and a good software inside them. Embird will work great with these machines.

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Date: 9/1/12 10:48 PM

I definitely plan to do the Embird upgrade for $65. They have always been very kind and fair. I have never been unhappy or disappointed with Embird's functions or capabilities. But, it's the only digitizing program I've ever used. I don't have clue what any of the other programs are like. I think that's why I'm wondering - I don't want to pass up the Design Pro and then find out that it was heads and shoulders easier or more professional or whatever than Embird.

Primarily, I do some editing of stock designs. (I've purchased many of the designs that are for sale on the Embird site.) But, mostly I want to be able to digitize photographs. That was the motivation for adding the Sfumato plug-in to Embird. Since I've never used Design Pro, I don't know if it would be easier/better?

It's funny you should ask about cross stitch. I was looking at that plug-in on the Embird site yesterday. I think hand cross-stitch is a boring waste of my time. So yes, it's quite possible I could find myself wanting to do some cross stitch.

Is the Design Pro worth spending an extra $1000? Will I forever be mad at myself if I walk away from it?

I truly wish I could talk myself into a Ruby, or even better, a Diamond. Sadly, both are more than I'm comfortable spending on a "luxury" item right now.

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Date: 9/2/12 6:30 AM

Can I ask you what difference in price there is from a designer Topaz and the Ruby at your dealer?
Here in Europe I think the difference is just a little more than 1000 euros. Perhaps you could get a demo shop model and still have some money from that $1000 to pay for the upgrade for Embird
I would try and negoziate with your dealer about this.
Believe me there is a hugh difference from the Topaz and the Ruby.
If you can digitise with Embird. I personally think you would be better off spending the extra $1000 on a better machine than buying the 5D software that in a couple of years time will be "old" and needing the next version that will cost nearly the same price.
Embird is a very good software and upgrades cost so little.

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Date: 9/2/12 10:07 AM

It's about $2500 difference between a Topaz 30 and a Ruby. They do offer financing terms. Sadly it comes down to a difference between $100/month and $150/month. Not a lot, but while I'm perfectly comfortable at $100/month, that extra $50 makes me uncomfortable. Especially when I think about how much I might want to spend each month on fabric, stabilizer, thread, etc.

I was thinking that I could start with a Topaz and then some day move up to a Ruby, or whatever that next level might be at the time. Also, I think that if I were to decide I was comfortable at that higher price range, for the first year, they will let me trade in the Topaz for the full amount paid and upgrade to the Ruby (I could always wait for a sale at least as good as the current one.) Or, I could wait on any purchase until the day after Thanksgiving and see if they do any better on either machine then.
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Date: 9/2/12 11:16 AM

I do have a couple of friends that have the Topaz 30 and they both have regretted getting it due to the so small screen. They also complain about some tension problems too that the Ruby doesn't seem to have because made after the Topaz with a better threading system. My friends also moan about the great difficulty not seeing the colours on the screen while embroidering and the very little options on editing the designs too.
I don't want to convince you in getting the Ruby but I just thought the $1000 was better spent on a better machine as you already have Embird.
I did read somewhere that Husqvarna would be sending out a "new Ruby" this year so the actual ones around should go down in price very soon.
Have you tried looking around at other dealers to see if someone can give you a better deal for a Ruby? $2500 difference does seem a lot to me. It seems that your dealer is asking for the full price on the Ruby. I'm sure she should be able to go down a little, That way you could buy yourself a real good easy to use machine.

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Date: 9/3/12 10:43 AM

Sadly, I only have a couple of Viking dealers within an hour's drive (and I live in a fairly large metro area). That's been true of all the brands I've looked at - Janome, Viking, Baby Lock, Brother (No Brother dealers for well over 100 miles), etc. Sadly, I'm not finding prices an any brands that are even close to the prices I'm seeing in the reviews on this site. Everyone is demanding very close to full retail price. It's very discouraging, especially when I look at my Kenmore 190010 (which I'm looking to replace with something more modern) and see what it is capable of doing, and how much it would cost me just to buy the same features today.

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Date: 9/3/12 12:41 PM

I understand how upsetting it must be.
Could you try going to your nearest dealer and say that you would like to get a Ruby in the end and that another dealer has offered you one for a lower price but you would prefer buying from her? Perhaps she will go down in price rather than lose a customer.
Has no one got a "demo shop" machine for a good price? Is there someone giving in to your dealer a very gently used Ruby to buy a Diamond?
I do hope you will be able to find a nice machine and feel happy about it.

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