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DOGLOVER389
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Date: 9/15/12 1:40 PM

Hi All,

Yesterday I replaced the horizontal bevel gear on my Singer Merritt 9612. It took me a few tries to properly time the machine.

While I was sewing some test material I was getting bird nests, so I started to adjust the top tension. I accidentally turned it too tight and the needle deflected and broke.

Prior to the needle breaking I was NOT experiencing any skipped stitches, just bird nesting.

I replaced the needle and that is where the problem started.

The bobbin thread is being picked up everytime I thread the machine. Depending on the tension of the top thread I will have a lot of skipped stitches. Sometimes I will have one stitch in over an inch of material.

Sewing on two layers of thin pajama flannel gives me a erratic array of skipped stitches. Sewing a test piece of fleece gives me the first stitch only. No other stitches are forming.

The needle that had been on the machine was a gold colored/ light blue banded, Singer 90/14. Looking through the magnifying glass this morning the replacement needle is a Singer 90/14. Other than color, the only difference I can see is that the eye on the replacement needle is much smaller than the original.

Am I looking at a needle issue, or is there something else I should be investigating?

I do not have anymore of the needles which was originally in the machine. Before I go out and buy more I would like to know if you believe the needle is the problem.

Many thanx.



DogLover389

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http://pages.sewing-machine-manuals.com/173/PictPage/1922064294.html

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Date: 9/15/12 1:45 PM

Am hoping you have it all figured out by now...but if you don't, maybe try reinsertng the needle. Some machines have the needle shank inserted witht the flat side to the side, some with it to the back...make sure to check. Hope it helps!!

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Date: 9/15/12 2:45 PM

If the needle is inserted correctly, the next step would be to see if the thread is too big for the eye of the needle.

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Date: 9/15/12 3:28 PM

If the needle is inserted wrong the top thread will not catch the bobbin thread and a stitch will not form at all.

The size of the needle sounds correct. What do you mean by "other than the color"?

Did you replace the first needle with a ballpoint needle? Here is a color chart.


-- Edited on 9/15/12 3:38 PM --

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Date: 9/15/12 4:28 PM

In the late 60s sewers who had late model Singer machines were having a lot of problems sewing with knits and polyesters. Singer came out with the yellow band needle, specifically to solve some of the problems.

Most machines thread from front to back, but some thread from left to right, so do be certain that you are inserting the needle correctly.

I don't know if any of this will help, so it's for your consideration.

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Date: 9/15/12 5:27 PM

"Bird nesting" indicates that the machine is not threaded correctly or the needle is incorrectly inserted.

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Date: 9/15/12 7:06 PM

Hi All,

The replacement needle came from my friend's grandmother's stash. She worked in a sewing factory and brought home bulk needles, large spools and cones of thread, buttons, etc.

The needles, though matching the size of the original, have a smaller eye, despite having the same size printed on them. The needles are silver in color.

I do not know if the needles are ball point. They were in an unmarked envelope. The only other needles are those made for leather.

Both my friend's grandmother and mother sewed for their families and as a side business.

I was also having some trouble with thread breakage after changing the needle, but I wasn't sure if that was due to the smaller eye or a thread tension problem. This happened with the two different spools I tried.

I had been trying to resolve the issue for several hours. It was 4am when I finally decided to call it quits.

- PattiAnnJ, thank you very much for that link!!!



Many thanx,


DogLover389

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Cut my teeth on a Kenmore 117.58

http://pages.sewing-machine-manuals.com/173/PictPage/1922064294.html

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Date: 9/15/12 7:14 PM

Just a guess here, but it would seem that machines in a factory might have been industrial machines. If so, this stash of unknown needles may appear to match household needles but may have a scarf that is the source of your problem.

Consider a new Schmetz or Organ needle correct for your machine.

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Date: 9/20/12 12:52 PM

Buy yourself some new needles and also check for burrs on the throat plate.

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Date: 9/20/12 10:16 PM

Hi All,

Thank you for all of your help.

As it turns out, it was a timing issue.

I had found several documents regarding how to time the machine. They ALL said to put the needle in the lowest position and turn the hand wheel until the needle was about to start it's ascent.

I did that more times than I could count. Each time the hook would pick up the thread and move it around the bobbin, but anytime I put material under the presser foot, the thread wasn't being caught by the hook.

Looking up information for adjusting the needle bar height, as someone suggested, I found a service manual. Right after the section for adjusting the needle bar, was information about timing the hook.

In that article, it said to move the needle until the lower line on the needle bar was equal with a certain marker on the machine.

The difference?

2.5 mm in height of the needle and it's place in the stitch cycle.

After making this adjustment, the machine is happily sewing regardless what I put under the presser foot, or which needles I use.

I don't remember how many articles I read on timing the machine, none of which were correct. Thankfully, however inadvertantly, I found the one with the right information.

Thank you all for your help and patience.




DogLover389

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http://pages.sewing-machine-manuals.com/173/PictPage/1922064294.html

Singer Merritt 9612

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