Sewing Patterns, Pattern Review, Sewing Classes, Sewing Machines and Sewing Machine Reviews!
Platinum Sponsor: Stylish Fabric
Over 20,000 of high quality reorderable fabric

[SIGNUP - FREE Membership & 1 FREE Sewing Lesson ]
[Sewing Classes|Shopping Bag Your Shopping Bag|Login|Help]
Sewing Review and Pattern Reviews Sewing Knowledge Base Sewing Patterns Sewing Classes & Sewing Lessons Sewing Machine & Embroidery Machinery Sewing Message Boards Sewing merchants Blog Help/FAQ About Pattern Review
Enter your e-mail address:




Advanced Search
Tags
New to PR?
Sewing Machines
Compare Sewing Machines
Sewing Machine & Serger Reviews
Embroidery Machines
Sewing Reviews
Sewing Patterns
Review Gallery
Sewing Books
Sewing Supplies
Sewing Websites
Sewing Stores
Sewing Class Reviews
Sewing Expo Reviews
Sewing Tips & Techniques
Sewing Podcasts
NEW!Fabric Glossary
Sewing Review Requests Add a Review Request
Your Account
Edit Profile
My Page
Favorites
Wish List
Pattern Catalog
Notifications
Friends of PR
Join Friends of PR
Find a member
Deal Corner
Photo Album
Calendar
Chat Room
Chat Schedule
Chat Transcripts
Sewing Classifieds
Add a Classified
Sewing Contests
enter contest
contest report
contest gallery
Favorite Links
reviews with comments
merchant gallery
article archive
newsletter archive
Craft Resources
contact info
shipping rates
returns & refunds
testimonials

Platinum Sponsor - Stylish Fabric
Stylish Fabric
You are not logged in. Login here.



Message Board > Sewing Machines > Need help with skipped stitches, please ( Moderated by Sharon1952, EleanorSews)

Please LOGIN or Join PatternReview
Go to Page:
Need help with skipped stitches, please
DOGLOVER389
DOGLOVER389
Advanced Beginner
Member since 1/11/12
Posts: 164
Login to reply to this post

Date: 9/15/12 1:40 PM

Hi All,

Yesterday I replaced the horizontal bevel gear on my Singer Merritt 9612. It took me a few tries to properly time the machine.

While I was sewing some test material I was getting bird nests, so I started to adjust the top tension. I accidentally turned it too tight and the needle deflected and broke.

Prior to the needle breaking I was NOT experiencing any skipped stitches, just bird nesting.

I replaced the needle and that is where the problem started.

The bobbin thread is being picked up everytime I thread the machine. Depending on the tension of the top thread I will have a lot of skipped stitches. Sometimes I will have one stitch in over an inch of material.

Sewing on two layers of thin pajama flannel gives me a erratic array of skipped stitches. Sewing a test piece of fleece gives me the first stitch only. No other stitches are forming.

The needle that had been on the machine was a gold colored/ light blue banded, Singer 90/14. Looking through the magnifying glass this morning the replacement needle is a Singer 90/14. Other than color, the only difference I can see is that the eye on the replacement needle is much smaller than the original.

Am I looking at a needle issue, or is there something else I should be investigating?

I do not have anymore of the needles which was originally in the machine. Before I go out and buy more I would like to know if you believe the needle is the problem.

Many thanx.



DogLover389

------
Cut my teeth on a Kenmore 117.58

http://pages.sewing-machine-manuals.com/173/PictPage/1922064294.html

Singer Merritt 9612

SisterC
SisterC
Advanced
MN
Member since 7/4/12
Posts: 21
Login to reply to this post

In reply to DOGLOVER389 <<


Date: 9/15/12 1:45 PM

Am hoping you have it all figured out by now...but if you don't, maybe try reinsertng the needle. Some machines have the needle shank inserted witht the flat side to the side, some with it to the back...make sure to check. Hope it helps!!

pknord
pknord
Intermediate
TX USA
Member since 9/1/11
Posts: 513
Login to reply to this post

Date: 9/15/12 2:45 PM

If the needle is inserted correctly, the next step would be to see if the thread is too big for the eye of the needle.

------
Pat in Rockport, TX
"As ye sew, so shall ye rip."
http://community.webshots.com/user/pknord
http://www.quiltingthoughts.blogspot.com/

PattiAnnJ
star
PattiAnnJ
Advanced
OH USA
Member since 12/3/06
Posts: 6839
Login to reply to this post

Date: 9/15/12 3:28 PM

If the needle is inserted wrong the top thread will not catch the bobbin thread and a stitch will not form at all.

The size of the needle sounds correct. What do you mean by "other than the color"?

Did you replace the first needle with a ballpoint needle? Here is a color chart.


-- Edited on 9/15/12 3:38 PM --

------
I dont give them Hell, I just tell the truth about them and they think its Hell. Harry Truman

"Improvise, adapt and overcome." - Clint Eastwood/Heartbreak Ridge

GlButterfly

GlButterfly
Intermediate
CA USA
Member since 8/28/08
Posts: 2910
Login to reply to this post

Date: 9/15/12 4:28 PM

In the late 60s sewers who had late model Singer machines were having a lot of problems sewing with knits and polyesters. Singer came out with the yellow band needle, specifically to solve some of the problems.

Most machines thread from front to back, but some thread from left to right, so do be certain that you are inserting the needle correctly.

I don't know if any of this will help, so it's for your consideration.

------
I have not yet begun to procrastinate

Update: soon I will decide when I will begin procrastinating.

crankyoldlady
crankyoldlady
Intermediate
Member since 11/14/08
Posts: 166
Login to reply to this post

Date: 9/15/12 5:27 PM

"Bird nesting" indicates that the machine is not threaded correctly or the needle is incorrectly inserted.

DOGLOVER389
DOGLOVER389
Advanced Beginner
Member since 1/11/12
Posts: 164
Login to reply to this post

Date: 9/15/12 7:06 PM

Hi All,

The replacement needle came from my friend's grandmother's stash. She worked in a sewing factory and brought home bulk needles, large spools and cones of thread, buttons, etc.

The needles, though matching the size of the original, have a smaller eye, despite having the same size printed on them. The needles are silver in color.

I do not know if the needles are ball point. They were in an unmarked envelope. The only other needles are those made for leather.

Both my friend's grandmother and mother sewed for their families and as a side business.

I was also having some trouble with thread breakage after changing the needle, but I wasn't sure if that was due to the smaller eye or a thread tension problem. This happened with the two different spools I tried.

I had been trying to resolve the issue for several hours. It was 4am when I finally decided to call it quits.

- PattiAnnJ, thank you very much for that link!!!



Many thanx,


DogLover389

------
Cut my teeth on a Kenmore 117.58

http://pages.sewing-machine-manuals.com/173/PictPage/1922064294.html

Singer Merritt 9612

crankyoldlady
crankyoldlady
Intermediate
Member since 11/14/08
Posts: 166
Login to reply to this post

Date: 9/15/12 7:14 PM

Just a guess here, but it would seem that machines in a factory might have been industrial machines. If so, this stash of unknown needles may appear to match household needles but may have a scarf that is the source of your problem.

Consider a new Schmetz or Organ needle correct for your machine.

sewsally
star
sewsally  Friend of PR
Intermediate
WA USA
Member since 8/18/02
Posts: 1287
Login to reply to this post

Date: 9/20/12 12:52 PM

Buy yourself some new needles and also check for burrs on the throat plate.

DOGLOVER389
DOGLOVER389
Advanced Beginner
Member since 1/11/12
Posts: 164
Login to reply to this post

Date: 9/20/12 10:16 PM

Hi All,

Thank you for all of your help.

As it turns out, it was a timing issue.

I had found several documents regarding how to time the machine. They ALL said to put the needle in the lowest position and turn the hand wheel until the needle was about to start it's ascent.

I did that more times than I could count. Each time the hook would pick up the thread and move it around the bobbin, but anytime I put material under the presser foot, the thread wasn't being caught by the hook.

Looking up information for adjusting the needle bar height, as someone suggested, I found a service manual. Right after the section for adjusting the needle bar, was information about timing the hook.

In that article, it said to move the needle until the lower line on the needle bar was equal with a certain marker on the machine.

The difference?

2.5 mm in height of the needle and it's place in the stitch cycle.

After making this adjustment, the machine is happily sewing regardless what I put under the presser foot, or which needles I use.

I don't remember how many articles I read on timing the machine, none of which were correct. Thankfully, however inadvertantly, I found the one with the right information.

Thank you all for your help and patience.




DogLover389

------
Cut my teeth on a Kenmore 117.58

http://pages.sewing-machine-manuals.com/173/PictPage/1922064294.html

Singer Merritt 9612

Go to Page:
Please LOGIN or Join PatternReview
printable version Printable Version

* Advertising and soliciting is strictly prohibited on PatternReview.com. If you find a post which is not in agreement with our Terms and Conditions, please click on the Report Post button to report it. Sewing Machines >> Need help with skipped stitches, please

Merchants on PR
So Vintage Patterns
Thank You for Joining!
Deals!
Patterns from the Past
vintage sewing patterns
Deals!
Elliott Berman Textiles
Fabrics for Greater Ideas
Deals!
Sewn Square One
Patterns for Your Style.
Web site
Gwyn Hug
Fabric Shopping Help!
Deals!

Copyright © 2014 PatternReview.com® , OSATech, Inc. All rights reserved.
Conditions of Use | Posting Guidelines | Privacy Policy | Contact Us
Online Sewing Classes
Fun with Fitting - BODICE w Darts
Fee: $39.99
(Regular $39.99)
Fun with Fitting - BODICE w Darts

Online Sewing Classes
The Contemporary Couture Jacket
Fee: $49.00
(Regular $49.00)
The Contemporary Couture Jacket

Other Le Cadran de la Mode
photo
Review by MaryBeth on 10/24/09
Read Review

Favorite Things Lounge Around Pattern
Favorite Things Lounge Around Pattern

Details
Price: $14.00
Add to Bag Add to Bag

Fit For Real People DVD
Fit For Real People DVD

Details
Price: $19.95
Add to Bag Add to Bag

Sis Boom Dana Top and Dress Digital Pattern
Sis Boom Dana Top and Dress Digital Pattern

Details
Price: $10.00
Add to Bag Add to Bag

Blank Slate Basic Blazer Digital Pattern
Blank Slate Basic Blazer Digital Pattern

Details
Price: $7.95
Add to Bag Add to Bag

Ottobre Woman Magazine 02-2011-9 Perugia Blouse
photo
Review by SilvrGhost on 4/21/11
Read Review

Butterick 4254 Pattern ( Size 18-20-22 )
Butterick 4254 Pattern ( Size 18-20-22 )

Details
Price: $15.95
Add to Bag Add to Bag

Vogue 8934 Pattern ( Size XSM-SML-MED )
Vogue 8934 Pattern ( Size XSM-SML-MED )

Details
Price: $30.00
Add to Bag Add to Bag

Subscribe to PR Message Board Feed Subscribe to the PR Message Board Feed Add to My Yahoo! Subscribe at NewsGator Online Subscribe at Bloglines Add to MyMSN