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Date: 12/3/12 12:46 PM

I have 2 jack russells, and have raised both of them from pups. One is 16 and the other 11 yo. Last week, the 11 yo attacked the older dog with intent to kill or maim. She ended up with hematomas and nerve damage. She occasionally cries out now when a nerve misfires, and she also gets stuck in a humped up position. She is getting laser treatments for the pain and inflammation and time will tell if the nerves settle down. For the most part, she is okay for 16yo.

My younger dog jumped her again last night when we were soothing her as she had pain. We removed him-I actually swatted him back and then threw him outside-and talked about what to do. He is dog aggressive, and shy with people, though not aggressive to people.

JR Rescue will not take aggressive dogs. You can imagine our concern and worry. Just sharing, don't flame me. I have outlined all our options, none of which are great.

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Date: 12/3/12 12:59 PM

I can imagine how frightening and sad this is. My heart goes out to all living beings involved. You have no blame and are brave to share this. Obviously, from your posts, you are devoted to the animals in your life. Asap, get one-on-one advice from a top notch trainer about if you can start to reverse the triggers for aggression and how. I've gotten some fine-tuned advice and with focus, that has helped us turn around some of our dog's behavior. Is this a first incidence between your 2 dogs?

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Date: 12/3/12 1:19 PM

I agree on the trainer, but would get them both to the vet first.

Could there be more going on with either dog? Cancer, diabetes, an infection- something that would make the older dog smell weird to the younger dog?

As for the younger, does he have doggie dementia?

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Date: 12/3/12 1:30 PM

Oh yes, I meant to mention about the younger one's health and if there's been a change? Thanks for pointing that out.

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Date: 12/3/12 2:29 PM

So sorry. No dogs, just cats here but when my oldest (& alpha) got sick the youngest (who also wanted to be alpha), got sick the youngest picked on her then.
I agree you need to check out the health of the oldest dog. If they have always gotten along reasonably well, then something changed.

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Date: 12/3/12 3:22 PM

Sounds like this was the first time the 11 y/o did something like this? My first step would to have him checked by a vet. Could be an infection or anything that might make him feeling grouchy.
Otherwise, it may be a dominance issue. Re-homing the male might be your best option, to a home with no other dogs and explain to the new family why you're re-homing the dog.

We had to do this with a dog nineteen years ago, who was starting to show aggression to our son (I was her human and the dog never liked men or kids for some reason). It was a very difficult and painful decision for me, but it was the right thing to do.

Our vet suggested we run an ad in the paper, so I did. I explained the situation to callers, including the new owner. The dog worked out really great for them in the new environment and even was friendly toward their toddler grandchild. Go figure. Our vet told me that often a different environment makes the difference.

There is a solution out there, and there are choices. They are not always the choices we want, but I know you'll sort it all out. (((Hugs)))
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Date: 12/3/12 3:29 PM

Thank you everyone. I have just returned from the vet, at which Bandit got some more laser therapy and I had a long talk with my vet. He outlined all the options which we had considered, and while he would not recommned any one option, he did say "The situation, as you describe it, is not good for anyone, and cannot continue."

We talked about herbal remedies (I think Nick is too far gone for those), Prozac, and euthanasia. It is really too late for further behavior modification. I also talked with a friend who is a well respected animal trainer and she gave me lots of help in my decision.

My husband and I have decided to give Nick ONE MORE CHANCE with Prozac and keeping them separated when we are not around.
I love Nick and am committed to him, as I am to Bandit. Thanks for listening.

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Date: 12/3/12 3:35 PM

Just a thought; our neighbors had an older Chesapeake retriever who had gotten sore and debilitated as he got older. One of their kids, very young, fell on the dog, which I am sure hurt the dog quite a bit. The dog bit the child... in the face. Fortunately just a gash to the side of one cheek. here's the wonderful and amazing part..... most people I think would have euthanized the dog right away, but the mother blamed herself a bit, because she knew how much pain the dog was in (she's an MD). They began muzzling the dog when he was around the kids. The dog lived out his natural life with the same family, wearing a muzzle around the youngsters, and there were no more incidents. Might a muzzle help?

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Date: 12/3/12 3:46 PM

No advice, but a big HUG, as this is so difficult and it's clear that you are struggling to find the best solution for everyone.

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Date: 12/3/12 3:46 PM

I just want to say, marec, that whatever decision you and your husband make, I know it will be healthy and wise.

Seeing one pet act aggressively towards another is disconcerting even when it's something fairly mild. My older cat (13) was horrible to my younger cat (12) at first. She still sometimes takes swipes at her just to show who's boss. Nothing life-threatening, but it still makes me furious. So having one of your beloved friends actually get seriously injured must be a nightmare for you.

Not sure this will help, but it's sincere --





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