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Date: 12/5/12 6:15 AM

I'd like a sewing machine with integrated dual feed. I have a Bernina 180 and 1090 with lots of feet for both. I own a Babylock TOL sewing/embroidery combo machine. I recently sewed on a Bernina 780 in the shop and loved the IDF, but I'd like to hear from those who own others brands and could compare them. I know PFaffs don't seem to have the reputation they did 10-11 years ago since being bought out by the same company who owns Viking and Singer. I see many used Pfaffs on Ebay but don't know much about them or which models are good. thoughts? Advice? Jeanie

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Date: 12/5/12 9:00 AM

I've owned several Pfaffs, still own a 2023, and LOVE my new Pfaff Creative Performance, whose quality I would rate against any and all other machines out there. Simply a superb machine.

Pfaff had problems with the Creative Vision machine, just as Bernina had problems with their 8 series. But imo, Pfaff's quality is even better today than prior to the company merger.

I've tried the new Bernina 7 series, and found tension and thread-nesting problems, but new releases usually do have some bugs that need working out, and by all accounts Bernina is working on them. The IDT on the 7 series Berninas is very similar to Pfaff's IDT. Personally, I prefer the Pfaff, but that's due to aesthetics, and features-to-price considerations.

Nothing beats IDT, be it on the Pfaffs, or the new Berninas, imo. The difference, especially when sewing knits and slipperies, is astounding.

For the price of a used Pfaff, I think I'd go with a new Pfaff from the Ambition line. The Ambition Essentials is currently on sale @$599, and then you have the full warranty and dealer support.

Whatever you decide on, you'll love love love the IDT!

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I heart Panzy, Pfaff Creative Performance, the sewing machine love of my life!
And Baby (Enlighten serger), Victor (BLCS), Rupert (Pfaff 2023-knits expert) Ash (B350SE-Artwork), Kee (B750QEE-Panzy's BFF), Georgie (B560-Kee's baby sister) and the Feather-Flock!

Most of all, I heart Woo (HimmyCat). Until we meet again, my beautiful little boy. I love you.

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Date: 12/5/12 9:52 AM

I've never sewn on a Pfaff, never even seen one up close, as there are no dealers in my area. I owned a Janome 6600 for a few years with the Accufeed system which I found to be bulky and cumbersome. My 830LE has dual feed which works great and is tucked up out of the way when not in use. There are several specific dual feed feet that are each designed for a specific purpose. Bernina's excellent feet are one of the best features of their machines, in my opinion. They're pricey but are each designed to do a certain job and do it well.

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Date: 12/5/12 12:35 PM

I agree, don't care for the accufeed at all. Actually, I don't like walking feet at all. Love IDT though!

The IDT you have on the 830 is much the same as Pfaff's IDT (Pfaff's IDT patent expired a few years ago).

IDT = best thing since mercerized thread, imo!

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I heart Panzy, Pfaff Creative Performance, the sewing machine love of my life!
And Baby (Enlighten serger), Victor (BLCS), Rupert (Pfaff 2023-knits expert) Ash (B350SE-Artwork), Kee (B750QEE-Panzy's BFF), Georgie (B560-Kee's baby sister) and the Feather-Flock!

Most of all, I heart Woo (HimmyCat). Until we meet again, my beautiful little boy. I love you.

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Date: 12/9/12 1:16 AM

I own both, a pfaff with IDT, and the bernina 830LE. They are very similar. The difference is the surface area that grips the fabric. Bernina is slightly wider, the pfaff is longer. Also, bernina feet that you can use the dual feed with are labeled with a D, 1C cannot use dual feed, 1D can. There is a cutout on the feet to accommodate the extra foot. Pfaff, it works with all feet, but is only good for straight stitching, so if doing decorative, won't work. Nice thing about bernina is it stops you from trying to use it if you are zigzag or decorative stitching.

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Pfaff 1471, janome 8050, bernina 830, Pfaff Passport 2.0; sergers singer quantum lock 5, baby lock protege, pfaff 794

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Date: 12/9/12 9:27 AM

A few weeks ago I bought a Pfaff Quilt Expression 4.0. The IDT is great and it does work with decorative stitches. The piercing power of the Pfaff is wonderful. Also the auto presser foot lift is so nifty. I think most of the Pfaff issues from their change of factory location have been worked out in the last few years. I also have an Elna 740 and the accufeed is a little bulkier but works well too. I honestly don't know which machine is my favorite at this point.

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Date: 12/9/12 9:43 AM

I had a Pfaff and its IDT works well, I had the Horizon 7700 I did not care for the accufeed, It is a bulky walking foot, and actually much prefer the walking foot that you add on Berninas I saw better results with it when sewing bulkier multilayers then the accufeed.
I have not tried the newer version that is on the 8900 and 12000 and also the less expensive 8200 Janomes. So you may want to try them out.
I now have the Bernina 750 and last night was sewing together with the IDT and the quarter in 37D foot, a very difficult bulky seam and it worked really well. Also pieced long 66 inch strips of quilt squares together and used no pins with great results. Out of all of them I liked the Bernina walking foot and its Pfaff built in equivalent best.
I like that I have the option to use either one depending on the situation and they both work equally as well.

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Date: 12/9/12 10:32 AM

My Pfaff Creative Performance lets me use decorative stitches with the IDT. Granted I have only tried with a couple. And I have played with my new Bernina 820 and the BDF and it worked fine with zigzag and a few of the decoratives. I had the 1D foot noted as the one attached and no warnings

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Date: 12/9/12 11:03 AM

I've used both Pfaff IDT, the Baby Lock version, and Bernina dual feed on deco stitches.

To me, the Bernina dual feed seems almost identical to Pfaff's IDT, based on my experience with it on my Select 3.0 and 7510. Some of the Pfaff feet are more narrow and currently there are more Pfaff feet that work with IDT than Bernina feet that work with BDF.

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Date: 12/9/12 11:37 AM

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I own both, a pfaff with IDT, and the bernina 830LE. They are very similar. Pfaff, it works with all feet, but is only good for straight stitching, so if doing decorative, won't work. Nice thing about bernina is it stops you from trying to use it if you are zigzag or decorative stitching.

I have a Pfaff with IDT, and the zigzag works with IDT engaged. That was the main reason I bought it, so I could use a zigzag with IDT. At the time I bought it, the accufeed wouldn't work with zigzag and the Bernina's didn't have it yet. It also works with a zipper foot, which comes in handy when making yards of cording and inserting it.

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