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Date: 1/12/13 9:59 AM

Has anyone had success using a double-eye needle in a Bernina machiine?
I've been doing some decorative stitching on the denim tote project I've been working on and thought I'd like to try the DE needle with two different colored threads.
No dice. The thread jams in the bobbin and I get the gears locked message.
In comparing the DE with a regular single eye needle the DE appears to be just a trifle longer. I don't know if that would cause the problem or not.
Curious as to whether this is an issue only with certain machines.
I plan to try it on my Janome to see if it'll work there.

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Date: 1/12/13 10:20 AM

I have not tried them myself, but here is some good information from the Punch With Judy website:




Create shading and texturing by using the Double Eye Needle that is for machines that take the 130H/705 system needles, the most popular universal type needle system.
Note: There is one eye above the other on the same needle, not like a Twin Needle whereby the shank of the needle is divided into two needles, each having an eye, side by side. They do NOT sew a zigzag stitch in most machines since the hook clearance will not catch the upper eye's thread. Use only for straight stitching. The Double Eye Needle has less of a scarf than the regular sewing machine needle, therefore care must be taken to "play" with the tension a little to make sure the stitch is balanced on the bottom. When feeding the thread, two vertical thread stands help to obtain an equally balanced feed tension. Machines vary and you may have to experiment a little until you achieve the desired effect.
Have fun experimenting with shading, texturing and topstitching

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Date: 1/12/13 10:49 AM

Schmetz Double Eye Needle on Amazon

I'm such a sucker for trying these kind of things!

Common sense (to me) says that if the threads are brought through these eyes together without one thread creating a loose "bump" (something less than a loop - heh heh), the upper thread should catch both.

I'm going to try these... But I don't think I'd attempt to use the automatic cutter ... Nor would I try to start the stitching without holding all three threads in the back with even tension.

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Date: 6/28/14 2:23 PM

The double eye needle used to be called a basting needle. You won't be able to stitch with two threads simultaneously. The top eye is for basting or creating a longer (double long) stitch. It is intended to miss the bobbin hook on the first pass and catch it on the second. The bottom eye is for regular sewing. Your threading both eyes makes the loose thread for basting knot up with the regular thread by the bobbin case and jams your machine. Hope this helps. These needles are awesome if used for the right purpose - long stitch machine basting.

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Date: 6/28/14 3:44 PM

Well, I hope this discussion continues because I still don't get it.

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Date: 6/28/14 4:07 PM

What sewing machine are you using?

I've used this method on my Bernina B330, but it's fiddly.

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Date: 6/28/14 5:19 PM

Quote: lgrande
Has anyone had success using a double-eye needle in a Bernina machiine?

I've been doing some decorative stitching on the denim tote project I've been working on and thought I'd like to try the DE needle with two different colored threads.

No dice. The thread jams in the bobbin and I get the gears locked message.

In comparing the DE with a regular single eye needle the DE appears to be just a trifle longer. I don't know if that would cause the problem or not.

Curious as to whether this is an issue only with certain machines.

I plan to try it on my Janome to see if it'll work there.

If you can't get a machine to sew with a double eye'd needle, you can always choose to just not put the needle all the way in, all the way up to the top of the needle stop, when you go to fasten it down. But, it will be hanging down lower then, and you don't want it to crash into and hit into anything. But if you choose to lower it down a tad in some/any machine, and then you actually turn the fly wheel slowly and carefully by hand a few times in a row, to make sure it won't hit anything, and it does not, then I can't see how that could hurt anything that way instead.

When you get thread jams though, when sewing on anything, that's most times when you have not enough or no top thread tension, (on the top thread even) and not really anything to do with a particular needle.
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Date: 6/28/14 9:33 PM

When Bernina included instructions for how to use a magic needle, the thread path incorporated the stitch selection lever. (to pretension the thread, perhaps.) Obviously, none of the newer Berninas, including mine, have this lever.
So adapting the technique would probably require some trial and error.

Perhaps someone with a classic Bernina might show us how it's done, and photograph the result? It might be possible to use a 1008.


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Date: 6/28/14 10:29 PM

I don't think todays double eye Schmetz more just embroidery kind needle is even made to on purpose, turn into some extra long basting kind of needle on any machine anyplace. As if it was, they would be promising that, for all machines old and new and made at anytime, and they don't. Because they even know that will not always happen at all.

But to just get even a normal straight stitch out of any machine, even with a normal needle, there is only a very small amount of leway or wiggle room, or variance in how far your needle eye can even be from your point of your hook when that passes your even normal one eye'd needle (and in 3 separate directions all at the same time even, as in needle depth, how close to hook going backwards and front wards, and how close to hook going sideways too) and all machines are just a bit different in that. And even all machines of the exact same model and age kind by a bit different there too, just since there is a bit of wiggle room and variance for that still to work.

So that is why, when you stick a double eye embroidery kind of sold to you, needle into some machine, any of them, it might actually work to pick up and sew with both threads or only one of them or maybe even none of them. On a lot of machines, if you got a double eye embroidery kind of needle in them, just because two eye's there, maybe on a wide zig zag, you are too far out of your wiggle room range at least on one of the eye's in it, and you might then skip a stitch and say hey, now I'm going to use it as a extra long basting needle instead. But if that works, on any particular one like that or not, that's just sort of more "happy coincidence there" instead, not some promise from some machine manufacturer or some needle company at all.

Ditto on if the double eye will even pick up and work to do some embroidery with two colors or strands of embroidery thread on anything also actually. True, if it did not, you could probably actually change the timing of things like the needle bar depth or the hook to needle or the needle bar in how far away in or out from a needle to make that happen if you really wanted to enough on anything, but then you are going to probably be screwing your self there instead, for normal sewing. So I think if it (some double eye needle) works for something, anything you want to do on any machine, that's cool and a good thing, but if it does not, then that's just the way it is, and probably not worth trying to change around a whole machine over it at all, as then you would be unhappy when not using it, and just using a regular needle instead even.

You can though, always just put two strands of embroidery thread through the one single needle eye hole in just a normal needle and sew that way, most times if you want too, on most things though also.



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Date: 6/29/14 12:44 PM

If you want a double thread effect, why not just use a larger eye needle like a size 14-16 top stitch needle and use two threads instead of one? Meaning pass both through the eye of the needle, two threads in one hole?

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