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No finished garment measurements... Too big a risk?
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Date: 2/6/13 1:19 AM

I admit it, I've been spoilt by Style Arc. But now I'd like a knit dress that I can wear to work(ie not a sundress). I am short and round.
I wanted to make Butterick 5778:


Problem: no finished garment measurements anywhere.
Here's what I asked BMV on 29 Jan

"I have Butterick 5778 and wish to sew it in size 18 (ish). However I can't find the finished garment measurements anywhere on the pattern tissue, instruction sheet, envelope or on this website. Please can you supply them?
The envelope indicates that this is loose fitting but the amount of ease indicated by that, seems quite a lot for a knit and also seems more than the model on the pattern envelope shows. Having the finished measurements would enable me to adjust the fit to my shape. Thank you!"

And here is the helpful reply I received yesterday (6 days later)
"Thank you for your email concerning Butterick Patterns. Whenever possible we try to provide our home sewers with the information they request. Finished measurements if available are on the pattern tissue at the bust, waist, and hip point."

To paraphrase, we're sorry, but we can't help.

1. Is this pretty much what you'd expect from BMV?

2. If you have this pattern, are the finished measurements printed anywhere?

3. Is it normal in Butterick for the fit on the model to be quite different from the stated fit? (eg, this says "loose fitting" - that would mean 5 to 8 INCHES of ease at the bust. Inches, people. That is a tent, especially in the recommended knits. The model is not wearing a tent).

4. Any tips on how to choose the right size to achieve the sort of fit shown? I would rather ditch the pattern than make a muslin. Life is short and I am impatient.

5. Can anyone recommend a good alternative pattern (where I can actually figure out from the supplied info how to choose the right size)?

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Date: 2/6/13 1:38 AM

If you don't want to make a muslin, tissue fit or compare a rtw garment you like to the pattern pieces.

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Date: 2/6/13 9:59 AM

There are four reviews of this pattern here. At least one of them hints at sizing suggestions.

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Date: 2/6/13 10:37 AM

Having worked in Customer Service for 20+ years I can say with some experience that the person whose job it is to answer your e-mail isn't given a whole lot of informaiton and might not even know how to sew. The responses are probably pulled from a list of pre written answers.
This is just a guess but that is what my experience tells me.

As far as fitting the dress, I would do a muslin, boring but it will give you the answer or if you already have the fabric you might want to wrap it around your body and see how much ease you want then measure the fabirc and apply thoses mesurements against the pattern and cut out the size that matches.
It is always amazing to me how different the stretch factor can be in two knits that look and feel the same.

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Date: 2/6/13 1:20 PM

Thank you all! I did check the reviews, some said it was true to size and others that it ran large, but without specifics. What I'm struggling with it what size to start with - 18 according to bust measurement, or something else. I guess I will have to make a muslin, but it would have been good to have had a starting point. As it does rely on the stretch, tissue fitting didn't give me much idea.

Ada - yes that's what I thought too. I don't have a beef with the actual customer service person, it's a hard job and the message was polite. I just thought it was weird that there weren't any finished measures and they didn't seem to have access to them.

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Date: 2/6/13 1:49 PM

send Chloe a link to this thread and she'll have a new pattern ready faster than you can say "Customer Service" (and it just may be named after you). ;)

eta: It's a really cute dress! I'd love to make one only not by Butterick - cough, cough.
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Date: 2/6/13 1:56 PM

I made this dress (I wrote the first review for it on PR) and I have about a 37" (sometimes a bit larger - I'm a D/DD) bust, but the size 12 fit me pretty well (It fit fine around, but I could've lengthened the bodice a bit for my full bust).

The size chart for Butterick suggests that a size 12 will fit a 34" bust, so it seems they didn't really account for the fact that knits really don't need ease in this pattern. I would recommend making one size down from what the pattern indicates, and you can always take it in from the sides if it's still a bit too big. So, if you're thinking you should make an 18, I would start at a 16.

I don't actually recall if the measurements were printed on the pattern, but if you already have it, you can always just measure the pattern to determine fit. The middle part is a bit of a cowl, but it's backed by a stay that sits flush against the body.
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Date: 2/6/13 2:24 PM

Quote: lyndle
1. Is this pretty much what you'd expect from BMV?

YUP. This is why I prefer to pay the extra $$ and deal with Style Arc. BVM has good customer support when it comes to ordering, but they were absolutely terrible when it came to asking them anything technical.

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Date: 2/6/13 2:57 PM

Thanks Renee, that's really helpful. I did try flat pattern measurements but they came out rather large so I wondered if I was measuring the cowl wrong and thought perhaps I'd better check with Butterick first. But I think working off the flat pattern will be my best bet. I don't have anything in stash for a muslin and I don't want to spend $10/m on something I'll throw away.

My previous experiences with big 4 patterns have resulted in things that had to have the side seams taken in so far, I lost the styling of the garment. (That's what I'm worried about with this one as it is 3 panels).

Your dress looks great - it was your review that made me decide I should give it a go!

-- Edited on 2/6/13 2:58 PM --

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Date: 2/6/13 3:13 PM

You got the standard prerecorded message.

Evidently you don't need accurate body measurements for a knit sack dress....there were sack dresses somewhere in my history....maybe the seventies????

ETA Make that the fifties and sixties and they were just this butt ugly.

The Butterick version is a great improvement.

Best wishes for a successful project.




-- Edited on 2/6/13 3:24 PM --

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