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A Murder of Crows Bird and creature lovers alert!
threaddy   Advanced WY USA Member since 4/22/09 Posts: 2309	Login to reply to this post Like this post Date: 2/20/13 11:52 PM PBS Nature ...about crows. I am stunned. If you can grab an hour watch!!!! crows PBS Nature ------ "The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem." Theodore Rubin "Life isn't about finding yourself. Life's about creating yourself." George Bernard Shaw Bernina vintage and embroidery serger 234 and BLcoverstitch
Elona   Advanced CA USA Member since 8/24/02 Posts: 7401	Login to reply to this post In reply to threaddy << Like this post Date: 2/21/13 0:35 AM Great program! Having raised a baby crow, dh and I have witnessed some of these things, as well as a whole bunch of pretty incredible behaviors not mentioned on the show.
jadamo00 Advanced NY USA Member since 3/13/06 Posts: 1233	Login to reply to this post 1 member likes this. Date: 2/21/13 6:58 AM Whoa, when that bird hiked up the string, to get to the short tool, to get to the long tool, to tease out the treat, I was stunned! j.
Miss Fairchild   Advanced USA Member since 8/24/02 Posts: 6990	Login to reply to this post In reply to threaddy << 1 member likes this. Date: 2/21/13 8:20 AM A neighbor planted a corn field just up the road from me, and thankfully, during the summer, the crows stayed there instead of in my garden. Now that it's winter, and the field has been harvested, they're hanging around my bird feeder, and killing the cardinals, chickadees and other song birds. Hopefully they will leave the swallows alone in the summer. If they don't, well, I won't be a happy camper. Yes, they are intelligent, (ever been to the Tower of London?) but hamper the lives of the other more helpful species of birds. ------ "We don't impose our rhythm on Nature. The key is to respect and live within Her." Jean-Charles Boisset, Winemaker "And no, now that you asked, I didn't enjoy that play one bit, and I'd like a refund" Signed, Mrs. Lincoln My Etsy shop: auntmaymesattic My blog: auntmaymesattic.wordpress.com Avatar: First place award for jacket at county fair
threaddy   Advanced WY USA Member since 4/22/09 Posts: 2309	Login to reply to this post In reply to Miss Fairchild << Like this post Date: 2/21/13 11:46 AM Yes, that is the problem...they are carnivores...I want to go back to the garden as God originally planned it. I don't have many crows and they have never hurt my other birds. I have magpies which I call "God's trash collectors" and they likewise just stay on the ground as my lovely finches and chickadees stay on the feeders with screens....the magpies can't get through the screens so they just take what the nice birds throw down to them. I have a squirrel that chases the magpies away. There has been no murder in my little paradise....I do not have a cat!!! ------ "The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem." Theodore Rubin "Life isn't about finding yourself. Life's about creating yourself." George Bernard Shaw Bernina vintage and embroidery serger 234 and BLcoverstitch
Elona   Advanced CA USA Member since 8/24/02 Posts: 7401	Login to reply to this post In reply to jadamo00 << 2 members like this. Date: 2/21/13 9:02 PM Isn't that marvelous? I mean drop-dead stunning? I think the reason humans generally detest these fine, resourceful birds is that we recognize that they, like wolves, are intelligent and social--and in direct competition with us. -- Edited on 2/21/13 9:04 PM --
jadamo00 Advanced NY USA Member since 3/13/06 Posts: 1233	Login to reply to this post 1 member likes this. Date: 2/22/13 4:19 AM AND they're big and strong. When my niece was an infant, my sister interrupted a crow going through the garbage. The crow made a last minute decision and flew clean off with a fully-loaded... ...diaper.
jadamo00 Advanced NY USA Member since 3/13/06 Posts: 1233	Login to reply to this post In reply to Elona << Like this post Date: 2/22/13 4:25 AM Quote: Elona I think the reason humans generally detest these fine, resourceful birds is that we recognize that they, like wolves, are intelligent and social--and in direct competition with us. Absolutely, and they made this point in the show. I rehab rats and I'm certain this is a big reason why they're so hated worldwide (I mean, other than that Plague thing and the ancient feud they have going with farmers...). They're like US! Social, opportunistic, and smart.
poorpigling Advanced TX USA Member since 12/28/07 Posts: 10057	Login to reply to this post In reply to threaddy << 1 member likes this. Date: 2/22/13 9:54 AM It took me a couple of tries to finally get an entire uninterrupted hour to watch this. Was not all that surprising to me.. Any one who is a bird lover.. watcher or owner knows just how smart, clever, and personable birds can be.. I couple of years ago.. the most wonderful friend in MY whole world sent me a book about my bird.. I learned a lot from that book.. totally changed my understanding on how to deal with my pet.. Turns out.. the bird I have thinks she runs the roost.. which I already knew.. but the book confirmed it.. Understanding my bird made our relationship so much smoother... I know where my boundaries lie in dealing with her.. Just because a bird is small does not mean they easily give up .. they are very territorial.. will fight if threatened.. will attack if necessary to protect their nestings .. For the size they are they are fearless.. Do they talk.. some of them as we know talk English.. but I can tell you .. they do have languages of their own.. in fact my bird has many tones, etc.. that mean different things and over the years I have learned just what she is saying or indicating in her bird language.. She even has a special call for me.. Personality wise.. I would say she has more quirks etc than my dogs do.. More clever too.. birds can have a one track mind if they are determined to do something.. they will find a way.. Oh and btw. no way do my dogs.. or my cats mess with her.. she has pecked them and put them in their place and they avoid her at all costs.. And.. she loves it when I sew.. she loves the sound of my sewing machines.. It was a nice video.. heartbreaking once or twice.. but overall should give one a better understanding of crows. and other birds.. Strangely enough.. birds are a lot like mammals. More so than we even know no doubt.
Kemish   Intermediate CA USA Member since 4/24/06 Posts: 231	Login to reply to this post Like this post Date: 2/22/13 10:59 AM Before West Nile virus, the crows in our area would fly over every morning from the river to where ever they went for the day and then in the evening -right at dusk- they would fly back over to the river for the night. It was amazing to watch. They filled the sky. But since West Nile virus has come to town :-( the crows have suffered in number. However since the crow population has dwindled the owls have returned and now at night I can hear the owls hooting at each other. ------ Kemish

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