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Date: 4/1/13 9:35 AM

I'm wondering what were considered the highest end machines right before the use of circuit boards in machines,i.e. I guess the last mechanical machines made that were considered high end? And by highest end I mean the most features etc. I'm thinking probably some of the Pfaffs and Berninas? I'm thinking of looking for one as when my computerized models lose their circuit boards and if I can't afford fix them want a good machine to fall back on. I have some mechanicals but I don't think there were considered TOL at the time they were new.

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Date: 4/1/13 9:53 AM

I don't think it has to be a TOL for its era machine as a mechanical to be reliable.

I am happy with my older Pfaff 130 (I have repaired shoes on it), or my Singer 99.

I also picked up a Bernina 1080 which is mechanical and it purrs. Oh no I think I might have SMAD!

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Date: 4/1/13 10:01 AM

Yes but I want the most stitches etc available up to circuit board use. I know the older Singers are good machines. I have a Rocketeer which is a very good sturdy machine but it is limited. But I really should get that out and really play with it. I fooled around with it when I got it but never really did a project on it. I just don't have room to keep them all out. I also have a Singer Touch and Sew and Fashion Mate.

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Date: 4/1/13 10:17 AM

Okay now this makes sense! Thank you for clarifying. I know that the Singer Touchtronic 2010 had a circuit board with transistors. That one came out in the early 80's. I was not allowed to touch my mom's. She informed me it was too high tech, and I needed to stick with the older Singer and beat that one up.

Seriously, I found a list online that details what singer's were made with what features. If it were me looking for one of the last "good" ones before they moved to Taiwan, and did not have circuit boards, I would choose the Singer 1036 with built in cams.

Hope this helps!

http://www.ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/model-list/classes-500+.html

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Date: 4/1/13 10:35 AM

Quiltingwolf,

My mom has a 500A Rocketeer in a blond cabinet, she bought it about 20 years ago. She remembered my grandmother saying that she thought it was the best machine Singer ever built. That machine is a heavy old girl, but it sews beautifully. The Singer 403 seems to be a an old favorite too.

If you're looking for a machine with no circuit board I think you'll be looking at a purely mechanical. Even my old Pfaff 1171 has some kind of circuit board. I'm pretty sure the old Bernina 930s had some kind of circuit board too. The Bernina 830 may be circuit board free you could always ask Gothdom.

Get your Rocketeer out and play with it, it may be exactly what you're looking for

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Date: 4/1/13 11:17 AM

kinda of looks like the Touch and Sews were the last TOL from Singer before circuit boards. I see my touch and sew is listed from 69-72 I got mine in 1976 so unbeknownst to me I was buying a model that was probably discontinued. I was 16 and my sis was 26 so we didn't know anything lol. Think I'm going to pull out that and my Rocket and see how they do compare to my 10001 and 1630.

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Date: 4/1/13 11:28 AM

My Bernina 930 does have a small circuit board in it so 930 and up in the Bernina line most likely have circuit boards.

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Date: 4/1/13 11:32 AM

For Viking it was the 6460. There was a model after that with needle up/down, so not sure if that's a circuit board.

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Date: 4/1/13 12:05 PM

Well, the Pfaffs like I have had MANY stitches possible. The 1222E was TOL and has combination tables in the manual that make many many stitches - I do not think I used more than one of the combos!!! The 1199 Compact machine also has a manual listing of combo buttons to make lots and lots of stitches! And it does work. I presume many Pfaffs had this ability. Probably other machines from the other makers as well.

It isn't the extra stitches - these TOL mechanicals had many nice touches, great stitching and such nicely machined innards. Any real Husqvarna Viking, Pfaff, Elna, or Bernina from back then was TOL. And they cost commensurately at the time. For Singer lovers there were lots of good machines too. I don't know what was TOL for Singer.

All that said, you cannot do better than a really well serviced Kenmore from before the electronics: 1802, 1602, etc., etc. These have stood the test of time as well. But all these machines of course need care, maintenance and some need lots of oiling in myriad spots - not so much the Euro ones, as they are made for limited owner servicing, and have closed internals - many of them that is...probably not all - one reason is the proliferation starting in the 1970s (?) of synthetic gears. Be not afraid - many of those synthetics have come through the ages unscathed. And for many of these machines new parts after market are available. Depends on the machine and the price you want to pay.

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Date: 4/1/13 12:34 PM

If you are looking for a great variety of stitches, look at some of the older machines with cams. I missed buying a Lady Kenmore that had about 30 different cams at one of our local thrift shops. It was only $25.00.

Most my sewing is done with a straight, zigzag or 3 step zigzag stitch.

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