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Help, please, I can't identify my new old machine
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Date: 4/8/13 7:19 PM

I got a new machine, it's mostly blue.
It's a Kenmore De Luxe c877.701, probably made in the 1950s-1970s. I have no clue what manual to look for and I don't know what type of cams it uses.

What I know so far:
The "c" in c877.701 signifies that it was made for and sold in Canada.
Simpsons-Sears sold them, and they were manufactured in Japan.


I cannot find another machine like mine anywhere online.
But, I noticed that some Morse machines, like the Morse Push Button Zig-Zag (Morse MZZ), look very similar to this Kenmore, and Morse I think was also manufactured in Japan?

Any help would be greatly appreciated in figuring out what machine I have and can I use any type of cams?
Also, where am do I find a manual for this?

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Date: 4/8/13 8:18 PM

Go look at this old 1957 Canada Sears/Simpsons Christmas Catalog and on in page # 192 in there, and maybe that is your machine.

http://www.wishbookweb.com/1957_Canadian_SimpsonsSears/index.htm

If so they got a picture of your cams in there. But, no cams are not very generic at all, and most times you can't just use the same ones back and forth between a whole lot of kinds of different machines at all, instead you really have to have the just the right ones each time.

I don't know where Sears Canada has manuals for people, but Sears USA has them for the ones they sold in USA over on their Website here:

http://www.managemylife.com/mmh/owner_manuals/?redirectType=BRAT_RULE

It does not look all that complicated, you might just even have to use it, without a manual even. If so, just find someone near you whom sews, to sit with you, and they could just figure it out.

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Date: 4/8/13 9:28 PM

How did you ever find that magazine?!
Thank you so much! Mine is Kenmore Portable Zig Zag for $164

Do you mean I have to find cams that say the machine model on them? I've never seen cams in person, so I'm not sure how I can spot the right one for this machine if I went to a thrift store to look for them.
Or maybe the cams will have that serial number in bold on the page: 20N20670DW

...need to find that Greist "magic key" buttonhole maker and 19 peice attachment set

Thank you also for telling me that cams are very specific to each model of these Kenmores. That's a shame really. I think I found a different Kenmore sewing machine model # [machine looks similar] online for cams.

The threading seems different on this machine then the beginner singer I have now... but I don't mind trying to figure it out.

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Date: 4/8/13 11:58 PM

I like old catalogs. I don't know how you are going to spot them either, and the only way you would even know if something "spotted" actually would work or not, I think would to be able to actually have it in hand, and put it in there and even try it.

But, since you are just way more likely to even see and notice something, any old place you are at anytime, that you have been looking at or even have visual for, you could do a screen capture of that catalog page, enlarge it in a graphics program, crop it just so you got the cam & box picture and print it out on paper and then even just stick it in your glove compartment in your car, or even just toss that enlargement on your cell phone. Looks like a blue metal and not white plastic box, there are 10 of them, and looks like 4 are white, 2 are red, and maybe 1 yellow and maybe 3 green, in the illustration. That's something and better than nothing. Good Luck!

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Date: 4/9/13 10:46 AM

I'm wondering if your machine was manufactured by White. I believe that the White machines used the "magic key" buttonholers by Griest.

Also, there is a Kenmore yahoo group. They discuss Kenmore sewing machines. Alternatively you could join the Wefixit yahoo group. They discuss mostly vintage machines of all types. You might be able to get more information about your machine there.

Enjoy your new machine. I love vintage sewing machines and do all my sewing on them.

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Date: 4/9/13 2:09 PM

The key to finding appropriate cams is in your model number - the 877 prefix indicates the machine's supplier/manufacturer. Unfortunately, not being a Kennie fan, I don't know who supplied the 877 models.... OK, lots of help, aren't I?

There are some Yahoo Groups dedicated to aficionados of old Kenmores, and I'm sure those folks could help you out. If your machine looks like a Morse Push Button Zig-Zag (Morse MZZ), it probably is. However, I'm not certain all Morses were made by the same source either.

Anyway, I'm sure identifying 877 will shorten your search significantly.

Jennifer in Calgary

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Date: 4/11/13 7:41 PM

Thank you WRC. I took a second look at my machine and it isn't exactly like the one in the magazine above. oops I guess I got too excited over seeing a sewing machine close to mine.

But I will definitely try to find any Whites that look like the one I have. I'll try and post a picture of it. And I'll check out the Wefix it yahoo group. Thanks for the tip!
I hope I'll sew through leather like a knife through butter *fingers crossed*

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Date: 4/11/13 7:47 PM

Hi Jennifer,
You did help, thanks : )
I found Kenmore groups on yahoo - but no help there, yet.

I was hoping I could find the exact manual for my machine, but perhaps I should try and find a Morse as close as possible and use its manual, instead.



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Date: 4/11/13 9:12 PM

Slightly off-topic, but that 1957 catalogue is fascinating. I sort of wish I could order from it, lol. And I had no idea sewing machines cost that much in 1957 -- $70-200 Canadian in 1957 would equal almost $600-1700 Canadian today.


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Date: 4/12/13 0:05 AM

Quote: limer

I found Kenmore groups on yahoo - but no help there, yet.
I was hoping I could find the exact manual for my machine, but perhaps I should try and find a Morse as close as possible and use its manual, instead.

Hi,I have a Kenmore Model 07,also known as Kenmore c877.07 made by Toyota.

I have the 2 original manuals that came with the sewing machine when new in the 1960s.A Super DeLuxe Zig Zag Model 1093 manual in English and a Kenmore 07 manual in French.

The Deluxe Zig Zag #51 sewing machine manual I found in the link below looks exactly like my Kenmore model c877.07 sewing machine made by Toyota.

I like to suggest,to please click on all the DeLuxe Zig Zag sewing machine manuals here,maybe one of the pictures on the manual looks like your Kenmore De Luxe c877.701 sewing machine.


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