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Date: 4/17/13 3:27 PM

I had a lot of problems sewing with metro-constant breakage. It drove me crazy that some people sew away with it and I couldn't get through a color change without fraying, rethreading constantly and often a needle break or two. I decided to experiment one thing at a time. I had ordered a martelli thread spinner(pricey) video at martelli.com and I think you tube, larger eyed needles such as used for metallic, silicon cup to lube the thread, and several suggested lowering the needle tension considerably. The thread spinner was the first thing I tried as I was wanting an excuse to order a sewing gadget. I did not order it only because of the large metro cones but that was one objective. It totally wound up the problems with my metro thread use without any other changes. I liked the large spinner so much I got the little one for mini cones and small spools of metallics. I am hoping with those if I put on the larger eye needle and put them on the spinner to be able to sew metallics as easily as regular thread but haven't tried it yet as the little spinner just came. Someone posted on another forum that they made a stand that revolves from a recycled fan motor from a dehumidifier. Handy types or those with a spouse who might craft something in this lifetime could possibly rig a better type thread dispenser that turns. I've been waiting 5 years for dh to build something else I had in mind so I didn't even ask. If I miss one service trip by not having a broken needle stuck in the bobbin race, a dinged up needle plate and a repair from malfunctions of thread or needle I figure the cost will be worth it. I actually enjoyed stitching out several designs with no rethreading at all using the metro collection of big cones which I have never been able to use until now. Yes the stand is pricey, perhaps the larger eyed needle or lowering the needle tension would work also but I said I would post if I was able to figure out what to do if I ever got it to work. I plan on using the new stands on all the single needle machines here on all threads. I really like how the thread feeds into the machine at constant tension no loops ever forming and no jerks or pooling as it unwinds. I have bought lots of sewing gadgets through the years that weren't worth a flip but I was pleased with this one. I wish I had had it way back I think the dealer would have seen a lot less of me and extorted lots less money from me on repairs. One Christmas design with metallic breaks cost me over a $100 so it might be worth the cost if I'll quit screwing up machines breaking needles, and putting thread fragments deep in the interior pits of my machines.

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Date: 4/18/13 9:53 PM

Looks like a neat but expensive gadget. Probably different thread just feeds off and into different machines, different ways and also just by shape and size of the thread put up each time, and thread guides and path on each different kind of machine and also if crosswound or not on the put up, so I think that is why often different brands and kinds of thread, can behave different if on the thread spool pins of different machines.

I like how yours goes around on the ball bearings. That is really a different kind of idea. Reminds me, of how my Mother once had an "exercise twister device" a rectangle of wood with a large ball bearing swivel on the bottom that you would stand on, and twist back and forth at the waist, but then my Father, grabbed it, and instead used it as the base for the lazy susan, turning kind of ball bearing device on a huge custom made dinning room table he was making for her!

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Date: 4/19/13 8:47 PM

Beauturbo I think it really is a different way of delivering thread into the machine. I may be imagining it but I think my stitchout looks better. That may be due to the machine pulling on the thread slightly as it feeds into the thread path. I had asked dh several years ago to make me a stand with a horizontal dowel pin at the level of the machine thread path for metallics. I gerry rigged one annoying larger spool of metallic so I could reverse it and that stopped the breaks but didn't work for all the metallics. I have read somewhere that some are wound onto the spools by different methods. A tech told me on one of my brothers to bring the thread stand to the front of the machine so threads bad about pooling wouldn't sometimes jump out of that first thread path. I have been watching the thread delivery for quite a while and did notice that prior to a break there would often be slight pooling and then a jerk. I thought the turning stand that someone made from a fan was a great recycle. Neat that your father used the heavy duty ball bearing device to do a lazy susan. A friend has the most beautiful dining table that I have ever seen that her dh made from reclaimed wood. You hardly ever see nice woodworking done any more. I'm sure her table and lazy susan was very nice-great recycle for a probably unused exercise device-clever.

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Date: 4/20/13 12:42 PM

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I had a lot of problems sewing with metro-constant breakage. It drove me crazy that some people sew away with it and I couldn't get through a color change without fraying, rethreading constantly and often a needle break or two.

I decided to experiment one thing at a time. I had ordered a martelli thread spinner(pricey) video at martelli.com and I think you tube, larger eyed needles such as used for metallic, silicon cup to lube the thread, and several suggested lowering the needle tension considerably.

The thread spinner was the first thing I tried as I was wanting an excuse to order a sewing gadget. I did not order it only because of the large metro cones but that was one objective.

It totally wound up the problems with my metro thread use without any other changes.

I liked the large spinner so much I got the little one for mini cones and small spools of metallics.

I am hoping with those if I put on the larger eye needle and put them on the spinner to be able to sew metallics as easily as regular thread but haven't tried it yet as the little spinner just came.

Someone posted on another forum that they made a stand that revolves from a recycled fan motor from a dehumidifier.

Handy types or those with a spouse who might craft something in this lifetime could possibly rig a better type thread dispenser that turns.

I've been waiting 5 years for dh to build something else I had in mind so I didn't even ask. If I miss one service trip by not having a broken needle stuck in the bobbin race, a dinged up needle plate and a repair from malfunctions of thread or needle I figure the cost will be worth it.

I actually enjoyed stitching out several designs with no rethreading at all using the metro collection of big cones which I have never been able to use until now.

Yes the stand is pricey, perhaps the larger eyed needle or lowering the needle tension would work also but I said I would post if I was able to figure out what to do if I ever got it to work.

I plan on using the new stands on all the single needle machines here on all threads. I really like how the thread feeds into the machine at constant tension no loops ever forming and no jerks or pooling as it unwinds.

I have bought lots of sewing gadgets through the years that weren't worth a flip but I was pleased with this one.

I wish I had had it way back I think the dealer would have seen a lot less of me and extorted lots less money from me on repairs.

One Christmas design with metallic breaks cost me over a $100 so it might be worth the cost if I'll quit screwing up machines breaking needles, and putting thread fragments deep in the interior pits of my machines.



Sorry, I was having a hard time reading this (on kindle) and had to add pauses.

I read somewhere that Floriani ME thread is lubricated. This makes sense (to me). I have not checked into this as I have no intention of buying all-new thread.

However, I have run a line of Sewer' s Aid down the length of the spool and stitched without any breakage.

I also have a thread stand with a tiny pad atop the "antenna" for adding silicone to lubricate the thread as it passes through during the stitching process.

This stand has horizontal spool pins if the spool tend to puddle, or I use thread nets when using the vertical pins to eliminate pooling. Another option that has worked for me is to place the spool in a mug next to the EM instead of using a spool pin.

This is a very expensive "fix". If you are happy, so be it.

I can't see this being for me as I only ME for pleasure and not as a business, where expensive items could be considered a business expense.


-- Edited on 4/20/13 1:16 PM --

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Date: 4/20/13 8:10 PM

PattiAnn J I also added a thread lubricant cup which I thought was a a new to me gadget that was inexpensive. I thought the silicon might be a good idea with metallic or the metro thread if the stand didn't help. Since I bought the giant stand for the 5000 m cones I liked it so much I bought the little stand also since I have 2 collections of mini king cones and the little slender spools of metallic. I know it is an expensive gadget as sewing gadgets go but having been plagued by more than what I think are my fair share of thread and needle breaks I decided I would try the spinner thing. I haven't found much regarding machine embroidery that isn't a huge money pit. I have been through 4 designs now with no rethreading at all which is a world record for me making no other changes in what I do except for the spinner gadget. When I put on the metallics I plan to use the silicon and a metallic needle so keeping my fingers crossed for a better experience than the last time I sewed holiday designs in metallic which put a needle in my bobbin race and made for a trip to the dealer. Some people just stitch away and then there's me who is always screwing up an embroidery machine. I have back ups for the back up.Lol! I quit justifying any expense with the embroidery machines just don't even think about the dollars down the black hole through the years. My blood pressure will be much improved I think with the spinner and maybe a machine one day will be spared the indignity of being tossed out a window. I actually enjoyed stitching out my projects for a change. So that alone will probably make it worthwhile for me anyway.

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Date: 7/10/13 7:26 PM

I have heard of this gadget,, on the Martha Pullen board, another lady got it and it helped considerably,, we all 3 had the Metro, I don't know what her EM was,, mine is a D1,, mine did not like it,, it would sew, but like you it shredded and broke, and looped a lot,,,

Once I was watching it sew,, and noticed it twisting back on itself,, thread is NOT supposed to do that,,, then I actually seen it come apart,, you know how when you untwist 2 or more pieces of thread, it will separate,, well that is what happened,, it was getting ready to go into the tension disk, and it separated.. i am thinking, no wonder my machine doesn't like it...

I finally got rid of it earlier this year,,

But now I have a different thread I am having problems with,, Isafil,, it is the rayon side of Isacord, (consequently,, Isacord sews great on my machine) anyway,, I was noticing the other day that the Isafil was twisting back on itself, coming off the thread stand I had setting behind my machine,,, so, I picked it up, and manually unrolled it while the machine stitched,, it ran MUCH better,,, SO,,, I think I am going to have to seriously consider getting one of these,, I am glad there are so many people that can use Metro thread,, and Isafil,, apparently I am not one of them,,,

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Date: 8/4/13 4:40 PM

That was me over there Mickie just had to re register there once and pick a different name. I have brothers and a baby lock 6 needle. I noticed on my ultra and my 8500 that at times even with other thread brands if I watched the thread unwind and where it entered there would occasionally be uneven unwinding from the spool and sometimes the thread would leave the first guide going into the machine. My dealer said some people found if they were using a thread stand to bring it more to the front of the machine and the thread delivery seemed to improve. After I began watching thread unwind and going into the machine I noticed some odd things sometimes happening as the machine was sewing. Thread is not always fed with a uniform tension off the spool and sometimes there is even looping as it comes off then spool. On the spinner the thread enters the single needle machine at the same horizontal level as the thread guide and the cone or spool itself turns on a spindle that is on ball bearings as the thread is pulled off so the tension seems to be uniform as the thread enters the machine. I actually wanted to try a spinner with metallics as they have always been more trouble than I wanted to bother with. I always would have to let the thread pass trough my fingers and do a lot of rethreading. Some have success with a packing peanut and some other things like lowering tension but none of that was the magic bullet for me. I know one Christmas my metallic use resulted in a service and replacing the bobbin race that had a needle break embedded. A service with no repair is $150 and 2 days of road trip to leave and come back so a spinner doesn't seem all that pricey when I start rethreading and breaking needles. I was very excited to be able to use the metro large cones I had given up on. My 6 needle would sew the metro but I would have some breaks and a couple of totes I did had some loops which aggravated me to no end. If I use marathon or arc on it I have zero issues so if I want to use metallic or metro it will be on my single needle machines using the spinner. I don't sell so would have a hard time justifying any/all of my machine embroidery bad habits or any of my sewing hoard. I tend to view it as fairly harmless entertainment and productive idleness that I can share with others. The hobby can be as expensive as you want to make it or not. Did I need the spinners -well no but I think sewing metallic will be more fun and I am really excited to find a way to use the metro shred oops thread collection I owned that was useless to me. Maybe I got a bad batch but I just could not use it before the spinner came here. I am actually looking forward to using some of the pretty metallic colors I have that were also dead to me.

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