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I have big dreams, but no idea if they're do-able
some questions about making a wedding dress
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Subject: Wanting opinions on dress modifications Date: 4/23/13 12:04 PM

http://www.burdastyle.com/pattern_store/patterns/tiered-dress-032013

That's the pattern I've found, but I hate the skirt and how high the lace neckline goes. I've sewn several things and drafted some patterns, but nothing quite like this so I have all these big fabulous wedding day ideas that work wonderfully in my head, but I have no idea if I can actually pull them off. Hopefully someone can put my feet back on the ground :)

-I really want to do a 1.5 circle skirt (of something amazingly soft and flowy rather than stiff lace rectangles) that's longer and fuller in the back than the front, and I've figured out *how* to do it but I'm not sure if I *should*. I fear it would be just a crazy pile of heavy fabric and overwhelm me.
-I want to either bring the neckline down to just above the sweetheart bodice or nix the lace front and just continue to the straps from the back, but I have a hard time picturing the first in my head, and the second seems like it would remove a lot of interest from the front of the dress.
-If I removed the lace altogether, would still having the lace sleeves (slightly longer and way less stiff) seem random? Would having the lace on the bodice and sleeves but not skirt also be strange? How else could I incorporate the lace?
-It's got 4 pieces of boning it it, but the material, even with the lining, for the sweetheart bodice will not be the most supportive. Would sewing in bra cups (since the back is completely out) be necessary, helpful, and/or possible?

Sorry, I know it's a lot, but I would really appreciate any help at all, thanks so much!!
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Subject: I have big dreams, but no idea if theyre do-able Date: 4/23/13 3:45 PM

Primarily bumping for wiser minds to chime in. I can't quite picture that particular dress without the lace overlay - if you go look at the "open back dress" that's made from the same pattern, you can tell how the front bodice is part of the structural mechanics of it all. If it's the sweetheart neckline that you like, maybe you can find a different pattern with a similar neckline? I think you need to decide whether you want something that's strapless or not, and if strapless, build a corset underneath everything to keep it all in the right place.

Your plan for the skirt sounds intriguing - can you do a muslin in a similarly drapey fabric and see how it hangs?

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Date: 4/23/13 4:31 PM

Hello! Thank you!
I know I don't want strapless because I adore the little cap sleeves, but what I can't decide is whether to leave just the sweetheart part and make the straps longer to attach at the front or keep at least some of the higher bodice to be interesting/hold it all up. I plan on doing a muslin of the skirt once I get the information/courage.(plus right now I'm studying for finals--I'd give anything to be able to march in there and make one right now!)
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Subject: I have big dreams, but no idea if theyre do-able Date: 4/23/13 10:12 PM

Ok here's my view on the structure of the bodice.
1]I believe the higher lace neckline is the main support for the underbodice and the back straps to which the sleeves attach. The neckline could dip a little lower in the front but there has to be a shoulder-like support.
2] if you nix the lace on the bodice altogether and just do, say a satin sweetheart it will essentially be a backless strapless silhouette except for two straps that run along the edge of the front. I don't think that will be what you are after.
3]Supporting your figure in this dress could be challenging,even with bra cups. A backless merry widow that cinches at the waist is all I can think of
4 The skirt- You could take some of the fullness out of the pattern-but if you cut down the front fullness and add more to the back,the back will throw off the hang of the skirt. If you want a 1.5 circle skirt instead, its hard to imagine how you would do the tiers because they are in this style horizontal falling tiers.
Other thoughts, lace does not have to be stiff.Chantilly lace and embroidered tulle are very soft and if you were making the dress as pictured would use this soft kind not alencon or guipure or corded or heavy cotton because of the gathers.
Suggestion; Look for another pattern with a bodice you like,decide how much lace you really want.If you like the sheer look but not the lace there are chiffon,organza and various nettings. Hope this helps

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Date: 4/23/13 10:50 PM

Hi, thanks,
yes the lace is the front support, but what do you mean by "straps that run along the edge of the front"? I was thinking of doing the straps like this dress: http://www.etsy.com/listing/113273267/odessa-sweetheart-boho-hippie-wedding?ref=sr_list_6&ga_search_query=boho+sweetheart+wedding+dress&ga_view_type=list&ga_ship_to=US&ga_search_type=all&ga_includes%5B0%5D=tags&ga_facet=boho+sweetheart+wedding+dress
and since it has straps for the back it should be easy to just extend them over the shoulder to attach at the front, if that ended up how it needed to be. Would support still be a lost cause if the lace or straps were still in the mix?

and I wouldn't try the tiers for the skirt, just the full length. I do see how making the front panel smaller would cause it to hang strangely, but I was told that if you cut the semi circles with the grain of the fabric running down the center of the piece they should hang perpendicular to the floor, but as I have not tested it I do not know.

and I will keep looking through patterns, thanks for your help :)

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Subject: I have big dreams, but no idea if theyre do-able Date: 4/24/13 1:27 AM

because the shape of the bodice at its outer edges is like the front of an arm hole.The little cap sleeves make sense placed at this style line. So the straps would be positioned like that also or they'd just look like straps with a strange ruffle rather than a suggestion of a sleeve.

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Date: 4/24/13 2:26 AM

The bodice in the etsy dress doesn't look as though it has a low back, meaning that support isn't an issue - its basically a bra top with floaty sleeves on it. The Burda pattern is a wholly different style. How little support you absolutely can get away with depends in part on your figure, but I agree with the other posters that its easier to see how this would work for a bigger range of figures than a backless style without much shoulder support. I love the top in the Burda dress because of the overlay effect of the lace, but suspect you must have a completely different vision for your dress.
For the skirt, do you plan to cut one and a half circles and introduce the idea of a fuller back by having some gathering in the back waist, dipping the back down in a small train shape? That's what I visualise from your post. A circle skirt, especially a long one, in a soft fabric, will hang quite close to the body, because a lot of it is essentially on the bias - so it looks less bulky round the hips than a gathered length. Don't forget when planning that you won't be able to purchase fabric wide enough to get these pieces out without some seaming, so if its lace, there's a need to allow time to make the seams invisibly.

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Date: 4/24/13 8:31 AM

Petra, that's exactly what i was thinking for the skirt. Since I'll have to do it in panels, will extra seams (in the non-lace) effect the look/hang of the skirt?

And for the top, I'd love to keep the lace, just that high of a neckline. I suppose I'll just sort that out during the muslin runs to see what can and can't work. :)

Thank you!

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Date: 4/24/13 6:14 PM

Just looking at simplicity patterns.Check out 1606. It has sweetheart neckline with or without lace overlay,curved straps a circle type skirt,not overly full.You could change the skirt to a longer high-low. The last wedding dress I did was a designer Alvina knock-off flared trumpet skirt. A wide lace border attached to an organza under skirt flounced out at the hem. The only other lace detail was a tiny ruffle at the edge of the strapless bodice top.So you can just use a touch of lace if you don't want a lot but then your main fabric should be really lush to compliment the formality of lace trim.

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Date: 4/25/13 12:34 PM

bvxo, when I am having trouble visualizing how changes I want to make to a design will look, I will print out the technical drawing and trace it with pencil onto a separate piece of paper. Sometimes instead of printing it out I will just hold a piece of paper on the monitor and trace the line drawing that way. Then I erase and redraw my changes in.

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