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Message Board > Sewing Machines > Janome 9900 or 12000 ( Moderated by Sharon1952, EleanorSews)

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Date: 5/15/13 7:58 AM

I am interested in an embroidery machine. Went to my local dealer to get a demo on the Janome 350E. While I was there, she showed me the new Janome 9900. I am quite impressed by the 9900.

While researching more on Emb mc, read a bit on the Janome 12000.

Now I can't decide which one to get, the 9900 or 12000 ?

I was quoted a decent price for the 9900 without digitizing software, the 12000 cost > 2 times the 9900, but come with the digitizing software.

What are your views ? Any input/ comments will be appreciated.

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Date: 5/15/13 10:50 AM

The problem with both these machines is this:

On the 12000 they only give you 100,000 stitches and big hoops, on the 9900 give you I believe it is 200,000 but smaller hoops and by hoops I mean the maximum design size. it's backwards. How does this make any sense. Now if you are doing smaller designs this isn't an issue. But the 12000 has a lot more features. And it's roughly $4K more expensive. Since you are new to embroidery. Those stitch limits are the amount of stitches it would sew before you would have to split a designs. And embroidery isn't just the machine it's thread, stabilizers. Before you put that kind of money into a machine I would look at all that is available not just Janome. The Pfaff Creative Proformance does just about everything the 12000 does and for a lot less money. Also the Brothers have alot of features as a lower price point. As for the digitizing software, digitizing has a steep learning curve and with all the designs out there is this something you want to spend you time learning or sewing?I wouldn't factor the software into the price. I would tell them keep the software and get accessories like more feet etc. Also when they say digitizing software are they talking the $1800 package or just the editing software Janome has two different ones. Make sure you know what your getting as a lot of people come home with way more then they need talked into by zealous salespeople.

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Date: 5/15/13 11:12 AM

Digitizing software has a steep learning curve unless you have a strong background in graphic design using vector graphics, so I'd caution you to get "talked into" software as part of the deal that you may not need or use. There are plenty of affordable programs for making minor alterations (resizing, changing file formats, removing elements, changing colors) to embroidery patterns.

Your choice should come down to features of the machine that sway you one way or another, to me including the digitizing software seems a bit like a gimmick because most people won't fully utilize it and you ARE paying for it, even if it's included "free".
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Date: 5/15/13 11:34 AM

Chances are there is no one at the dealer who can help you with the software.

You do need a basic program that will allow you to do a bit of editing, and viewing as computer operating systems do not recognize machine embroidery design formats.

Visit a Brother or Babylock lock dealer before making such a huge purchase.

If they throw in some software, good. If they include stabilizer and threads all the better.

Most dealers will give a free "get acquainted with the machine" lesson and some offer classes and/or lessons.

Take your time. Embroidery machines are amazing!




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Date: 5/15/13 3:34 PM

I agree with PattyAnnJ. That's a big financial commitment. Have you got some experience with machine embroidery? Software, etc.?

I would recommend you visit a Brother/Babylock dealer and look at "starter" embroidery machines. That's what I did years ago when I thought I wanted to do embroidery. I started out with a Brother PE150 which only has a 4x4 hoop but it was enough at the time. I used that little machine a lot and then after a couple years I bought a Brother ULT2003D machine. I LOVED that machine and had it for 8 years.

Get something to start out on and go from there instead of making such a hefty purchase.

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Date: 5/15/13 8:11 PM

Thanks to all for the great insights and good advices.

I was an Engineering draftsperson during my early career, now I work with computers crunching numbers. Since I started quilting a few years ago, I'd drawn quilt blocks on Microsoft Words, as I do not have EQ software.

While I think I will be able to learn the Janome Digitiser MBX ( the software which is bundled with the 12k), as quilting wolf rightly pointed out, I 'd rather spend my time sewing , rather than sitting infront of the PC working on emb designs.

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Date: 5/15/13 8:25 PM

I'd also looked at the brochures of a few Brother models (NV1250 D, NV1500D and NV 4500D), but have yet to get a demo on these machines. Brother sewing machines are sold at big Departmental stores and a few quilt/ fabric shops here. Training is conducted by the Corporate HQ office, and I gathered from my friends who attended such trainings that its not very effective.

I visited the Local Pfaff dealer a few years ago while searching for a sewing machine, I was very disappointed at the product knowledge of the staff, so I ended up buying the Bernina 440 QE.

I love my Bernina 440QE, it was not cheap, but it's a work horse and sews beautifully, no problem with the multi layers for the quilts, pouches, bags I sewed. But the Bernina Emb models are priced very high, and I cannot justify spending so much on my hobby.

The Janome dealer is helpful and knowledgeable, she was patient and detailed when she coached me on using the Janome 7700. I am very happy with her support.

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Date: 5/15/13 8:43 PM

With your background I don't think you would have any trouble with embroidery or digitizing. And if you using the machine to quilt you want the biggest hoop possible. Let us know what you decide on.

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Date: 5/15/13 8:53 PM

From my 'research' so far, key features of the 9900 and 12K :
- the 12 k has 11" throat space, comes with 4 hoops ( max 9"x11.8") , made in Japan.
- the 9900 has a 8.3" throat space, comes with 2 hoops ( max 6.7"x7.9"), assembled in Taiwan.

Both are 9 mm machines.

I really enjoyed this exchange with fellow like minded members, it's good to be able to share and go through the thinking process before I decide which 'new toy' to get !

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Date: 5/16/13 0:00 AM

This is a drum I have been beating for a along time! Please consider a separate stand-alone embroidery machine before investing in an expensive 'combo' machine. You could probably purchase a Janome 350E (embroidery only) and a Janome 6600 (sewing only) for a total cost less than the cost of the 12000. (Or any similar pair from other manufacturers.) And you then will be able to use your sewing machine at the same time the embroidery machine is "doing its thing". If you have the space for the two machines (and the embroidery machine does not take up a lot of space as you don't sit at it to work) I would really recommend that option.
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