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Message Board > Sewing Machines > Juki box feed vs Pfaff IDT ( Moderated by Sharon1952, EleanorSews)

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Date: 5/16/13 2:17 AM

I had my mind set up to by the Juki F600 but then have second thoughts about Pfaff and its famous IDT. I am looking for a sm for garment sewing and an occasional home deco project - no plans for quilting or FMQ and no interest whatsoever in embroidery. The higher end Pfaffs with their 9mm feet are not so convenient for garment sewing, so I am looking at Pfaff's Ambition line (ambition 1.5 or 1.0) where they have 7mm feet. None of Ambition line models has knee lever nor auto thread cutter, the latter being especially tempting for me.

So I am asking for your opinion: is the IDT really so much better a feeding system as to compensate all the bells and whistles I wuold loose letting go the Juki F600? Has anyone compared the IDT and Jukis box feed on difficult fabrics like knits, lycra, chiffon?
Appreciate every input!
Katariina

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Date: 5/16/13 7:00 AM

If you are looking primarily for basic garment and home decor sewing you might consider the passport - while marketed as a portable machine it's a few hundred dollars cheaper than the Juki or Ambition 1.0 and still a very capable machine.

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Date: 5/16/13 7:48 AM

I've got both the Pfaff IDT and the Juki F600.
The Juki F series feeds fabric far better than the IDT of Pfaff.
The walking foot of the Juki is fantastic too.
The Juki tackles heavy tough fabrics with ease where the Pfaff often stops.
I love Pfaff machines too even if I find they are quite noisy now a days. The Deco stitches on the Pfaffs are gorgous nicer than the Juki ones.
I would say the Juki F600 if needed only for sewing.
For a combined embroidery and sewing machine, the Pfaff Creative Performance.

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Date: 5/16/13 8:19 AM

Im in your same boat. Ive been looking for a new machine for a few years actually. I cant be sold on any of them. I love Berninas and Pfaffs, and sew on an industrial Juki straight stitch everyday. But I still need a great home sewing machine. I have on older Pfaff 2020 that I adore and it has served me well over the years but it has gotten tired and now sounds like it is running on deisel fuel. I have been afraid of the new pfaffs since it was bought out by singer or whoever purchased them. I think the TOL machines may be great but hesitate to spend thousands. I love the idt feature. It allows me to sew silk velvet without pinning to much. I also don't have to hand baste using this feature. I really love the specs of the Juki f-600 but none of the dealers in my area have one. I don't want to buy one without testing it. Im very picky and only sew garments as you do and dislike many of the specs of quilters machines. I don't want to end up with a machine I wont sew on. I tested a Babylock Quest Plus years ago and it was ok. It had the IDT since the patent had expired. I did'nt like it ramped up the speed as you began to sew. There was no way to bypass this and at the time it was a deal breaker for me. Now Im thinking that it may not have been such a bad option. Ive been looking for a Babylock Quest Plus or Babylock Serenade. They both have the feature set I like but I still think the feed dog width may be to wide. I also recently tested a Bernina 750QE. It also sounded promising. But it was a no go for me. The buttonholes were horrible and none in the store could tell me a thing. Meanwhile this is the largest Bernina dealer in the state. But everyone there are quilters and they have stars in their eyes for all of the quilting features and love the machines. I may break down a buy a Juki f-600 without testing it but as of now there are no options. I have also thought about sacrificing the auto cut and buying an older Pfaff that I know is a great machine like the 1222E or the 7550 or 7570. Actually any of them that were made in Germany. Instead of saying German engineering. Good luck and keep us posted on your decision.

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Date: 5/16/13 8:40 AM

I admit my only experience with IDT is with machines I used in my one and only quilting class. It was okay but drove me nuts because it was so big! I have the Juki f600 and find that the box feed works well. I do not have to do much guiding, as the material feeds thru smooth and straight. I can get by with no pins or very few when I am feeling sassy. The button holes are the best. I admit did not make button holes on the Pfaff, but they are much improved over my Brother NX400. The main reason I got this machine was for the button holes.

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Date: 5/16/13 8:55 AM

IDT is very small single foot right behind the needle. I suspect if you had something that was "very big" it was a walking foot attachment. I dislike walking feet, and love Pfaff's IDT.

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And Baby (Enlighten serger), Victor (BLCS), Rupert (Pfaff 2023-knits expert) Ash (B350SE-Artwork), Kee (B750QEE-Panzy's BFF), Georgie (B560-Kee's baby sister) and the Feather-Flock!

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Date: 5/16/13 9:41 AM

I used to dislike walking feet, too, because I felt they were too big compared to Pfaff's IDT. After years of sewing with my Pfaff 7570, I became disillusioned with that tiny arm behind the presser foot. It just wasn't enough muscle to balance all the pressure from the feed dogs. The Juki walking foot, on the other hand, matches the foot print exactly, and combined with the box feed, provides perfectly even feeding like no other machine I've seen.

When I first bought the Juki F600 (sight unseen), I tested it out on some Ambiance lining against my Pfaff and Bernina. Not only were the stitches nicer looking, but the feeding was so much better; and that was just with the box feed on its own. I recently discovered the walking foot (which I had all along since it was standard with the F600). For some reason I had it in my mind that it was cumbersome and would get in the way, but to my pleasant surprise, it didn't at all.

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Date: 5/16/13 10:40 AM

I completely agree with Diahn.
The Juki F600 feeds fabric like no other machine I have owned and tried.
It is also a very quiet machine.
The new Pfaffs are noisy and vibrate when at full speed. The Juki doesn't.

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Date: 5/16/13 10:46 AM

My PCP is very quiet and doesn't vibrate at all. I haven't tried any of the other newer Pfaffs other than the Creative Sensation, and I found it, too, very quiet. I don't know about vibration with embroidery on the CS as I didn't try that.

I've heard lots of good things about the Juki F600, glad everyone's so happy with theirs.

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And Baby (Enlighten serger), Victor (BLCS), Rupert (Pfaff 2023-knits expert) Ash (B350SE-Artwork), Kee (B750QEE-Panzy's BFF), Georgie (B560-Kee's baby sister) and the Feather-Flock!

Most of all, I heart Woo (HimmyCat). Until we meet again, my beautiful little boy. I love you.

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Date: 5/16/13 11:24 AM

My PCP doesn't vibrate either, even when I used the embroidery unit on the shelf in my table that raises up and down. I didn't feel like moving it to do the embroidery, and I was expecting it to. (My creative 4 does) I was pleasantly surprised.

I have never used a Juki, but I have used various Pfaff's to sew chiffon, silk and polyester, and embroidered lace, and beaded and sequined lace, sequined lycra spandex, and all kinds of satin in just about every weight and finish imaginable, and the IDT handles it perfectly and makes matching up the patterns in the seams on the lace flawless.

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