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choosing size based on distance between front armholes
I saw a chart here somewhere . . . can you help me find it?
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Date: 5/30/13 4:22 PM

I know it's here somewhere! A handy little table showing that if you are so many inches armhole to armhole at the high bust level, then you wear a Big 4 size 14, and it goes up and down a 1/4" or maybe it's 1/2" per size . . .

Am about to cut a muslin for a friend and I have her measurements. This method of choosing a size makes a lot of sense to me, at least for the upper body, for a fitted dress, so I'd like to use it for her upper half. Bottom half, I have her hip measurement plus my own experience with a reasonable amount of wearing and design ease and will just measure the pattern.

Thanks, all. I know someone will know where to find it! My search didn't turn it up.
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Date: 5/30/13 4:24 PM

I found it by googling "how to choose correct pattern size nancy zieman."

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Date: 5/30/13 4:38 PM

Thank you, Sew Confused! I didn't know the origin was Nancy Z. I Googled as you suggested and have found it. Are we not supposed to post links that go out? I do know I saw this same information in a thread here somewhere at PR.

I'm set--my friend is a perfect 14 on top.

Thanks!
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Date: 5/30/13 5:12 PM

It's okay to post outgoing links, but I was on my iPad and too lazy to look it up again!

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Date: 5/30/13 6:01 PM

There is currently talk about this and also shoulder measurements in the Beginner's area, then something about Shoulder Measurement in the title.

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Date: 5/30/13 6:39 PM

This method doesn't work for me. I'm so narrow in the shoulders and upper chest that if I went by that, I'd be in an 8!! I like Nancy Z for most anything else, and I like her pivot and slide technique. However, I would have to make many more impossible adjustments using this method.
Connie Crawford made me feel better last year when she said no one in the industry does this when fitting, that they always go by full bust. Of course, if you are talking models, they probably don't have C cups anyway. Regardless, adjusting the neck/shoulders isn't as big of a deal as they make it out to be, I do it all the time.

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Date: 5/30/13 6:45 PM

Thanks, Southern. It's interesting, isn't it, which method is the fastest route for a given person. My friend is average busted so I hope it will work out for her. We'll see!

For me--wide shoulders, smaller bust--I know from RTW experience that I have to buy for my shoulders or else I will be miserable, so I just look for blouses NOT designed for a C-cup, but buy them bigger than my bust would otherwise call for. So basically I guess for someone like me this method does point in the right direction. It reveals my need for a larger size than my bust measurement would indicate. If I with my shoulders bought by my bust size the shoulders would be too small.

Much seems to depend on knowing where we are not average . . .

Thanks all for the input!

Oh--here's the link. (I'm not on an i-phone :-)


Nancy Zieman's armhole-to-armhole "right size" measure for correct pattern size
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Date: 5/30/13 9:29 PM

I see your point! And I need to clarify that no, I'm not 8 inches crease to crease! I would take about a size 8 if I went by shoulder length. I'm 12 crease to crease (I think), and a size 12 pattern, even a 14, would be waaay too small for me. Even Nancy Zieman has a limit with the pivot and slide method as to how much you can enlarge.
Good luck!

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Date: 5/31/13 7:47 AM

I see your point too, Southern . . . so it's easier for you w/ narrow shoulders/full bust to actually alter both shoulders and bust, making shoulders narrower and bust fuller, b/c that way you get to do a manageable change at both locations and not an awkward, undoable change at either location?

Does it also depend on one's preferred way of altering patterns? I don't know what the FBA limits are for the other alteration methods as opposed to pivoting and sliding.

Thanks again, all!

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