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Message Board > Machine Embroidery > Embird vs Brother PE Design Next...Brother worth the $$$? ( Moderated by Pyrose)

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Date: 7/3/13 8:59 PM

OK... I know I've asked (irritated??) a few of you in the past with my embroidery related questions, but I have another.
I'm fixing to go try out a Brother PE780D at a dealer. I really want to try out the PE770, but they do not have one to try and I understand that the PE780D is virtually the same machine (just with the Disney designs, which I can take or leave). If I am mistaken at all about the difference in the machines, if there is more to it than just the designs, PLEASE let me know!
I want to basically be able to embroider my own designs that I have saved as Adobe Illustrator files. They are basically logos for my design company. I know that this would require me digitizing the design through digitizing software. I know that I can do this with Embird, but Brother has their digitizing software too.
Now, what I want to know is, is the Brother software, particularly the PE Design Next software with the digitizing, actually WORTH the crazy pricetag ($899!!??? That's more than the machine I'm considering!!), or if I can do just as good of a job with Embird, or another digitizing software? I don't want the dealer to try to talk me into the Brother software when I can do the same thing with another, more reasonably priced program.
Any thoughts? Thanks all!

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Date: 7/4/13 8:55 AM

I would to here and ask, there are a LOT of ladies that embroider on this forum.. just go to the "embroidery" thread and ask..

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Date: 7/4/13 9:49 AM

Before you buy any software, check around for free trials of software and give them a try. If your designs aren't too complex, SewArt is easy to use and you can download a free 30 day trial here. Here is a youtube video demonstration of the program.

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Date: 7/4/13 11:16 AM

I would not buy proprietary dealer software. I like knowing that if I decide to change brands of machines or add another brand of embroidery machine in the years ahead I am not limited to that dealer brand.
The non dealer software continues to get updates and upgrades. Dealer specific software has been phased out, replaced or unsupported for many models and across computer platforms and operating systems. Something to consider.

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Date: 7/4/13 11:23 AM

My guess is neither can direct import an Adobe Illustrator file. So just like any software, you wish to share files with, with any other, and before buying it, that probably would be the very first thing you would want to find out. And even if you could import an Adobe Illustrator file, (to just use as a background template to manual digitize over it, or attempt to autodigitize) what age and version of the Adobe Illustrator file, would that have to be? Since that would be really important too.

My guess is very few people that use embird or the Brother software, actually even have or use Adobe Illustrator with it, in any way at all either. If you just want to make something in Adobe Illustrator, then flatten it and turn it into a bit map raster file, or just a .wmf vector file in some ways, or possibly an .eps file, then maybe you could use it like that.

I think most people whom use embird at least, feel that anything more is too much to spend for a digitizing program and in turn probably also feel Adobe Illustrator costs too much for them to want to use too, so they probably don't even want to buy and do the whole big learning curve on the Illustrator either.

Also know that an Illustrator file as a logo, is not going to work out digitized for embroidery as is, with any of those words or letters in the Illustrator file, you would have to use the keyboard lettering on a path, and kerning and such in the digitizing program instead.

So you really could not take some Illustrator file of a logo, that was made for a website or company letter head in print (particular with words and letters in it) and turn it easy into an embroidery file instead. You really would have to re-do a whole lot of it, just special and on purpose to make an embroidery kind of file instead even. So I think your expectations might be kind of unrealistic there too.

Maybe try this one, as it sounds made more for just what you want to do? http://www.embroideryi2.com/adobe/index.htm


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Date: 7/4/13 1:45 PM

Don't mention software to the dealer as the subject may not come up. If it does ask them for a demo....that may be the end of the conversation as many do not know how to use the software.....another issue is some dealers/ staff do not know Brother embroidery only machines use 90wt bobbin thread.

Last resort, say you already have Embird.



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Date: 7/4/13 3:47 PM

We just had a Floriani event at the store I work at. The educator said-in a "round about" way what I have been thinking for the last 11 years-DIGITIZING IS NOT THAT EASY! I have PE Design Next and Embird (EDITOR only).
Can you auto-digitize in PE Design Next? Yes! Is it good quality? rarely unless it is just a simple desing with very clean graphics going in. I believe the same is true for all softwares.

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Date: 7/4/13 3:49 PM

I used pe design next and I"ve used the pfaff. If you use illustrator, then look at the Corel drawings range of digitizing software and also look at stitch era universal which I think has a free version to try. You will find them more familiar to you and the tools will make more sense.

5d, pe design and other software made by sewing machine manufacturers come at digitizing from the - I guess stitch file perspective- not the graphic perspective. The Corel product caught my eye ages ago but I already made the investment in other software.

No, I don't think any of the high end software can justify the cost especially to the home or hobby embroiderer but they charge what the market will bear. So what I think is more important is the training. I did classes on my 4d and a lot stuck with me. If I edit existing design I will use 5d emb extra first cause its quick for me. With pe next I find I have had to rely on yahoo groups and trial and error - while I think it's easier to digitize in pe design, I never feel I've really mastered it. So whatever you buy do the classes do the training it is the best way to get value for money out of over priced products.

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Date: 7/5/13 3:02 PM

Thanks!I'll try there, too.

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Date: 7/5/13 3:10 PM

Thanks for the advice, everyone!
I know that digitizing isn't easy, but I'm prepared for that. Trust me, learning Illustrator and Photoshop wasn't easy, either! But, I had to do it for school, so I'm up to the challenge. I'm capable of saving my files in many different formats, so I don't expect to just be able to put the illustrator file in the machine and off I go! I know that there is more to it than that, but I don't want to let that sway me from learning digitizing.
My designs aren't that detailed, really; at least, the ones I currently have. They are basically text-based logos for my design line. I may just ask the dealer if they have any opinions about digitizing software and get what they have to say.
I mainly was just wondering if the quality of the embroidery comes out better with the Brother Software on a Brother machine, or if it comes out just as good with Embird. I'm sure a lot of it depends on the quality of the design itself, but that really was my main concern.
Thanks again.

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