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Date: 8/13/13 1:10 PM

I've seen on here that there actually is such a thing as bad thread. I had a spool of C&C 500 yd white thread and was sewing on a dress yesterday. The thread shredded, balled up, and jammed the needle. I tried this three times with same results. Finally I looked at the spool and determined that yes, the thread looked a little "thick" (for lack of a better term). I've always used C&C with no issues. Fortunately I had a spool of white Gutermann, and everything works wonderfully.

A weird learning experience. Never would have expected it!

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Date: 8/13/13 1:58 PM

It may not be only the thread. Certain machines like different threads. The Janome does not like C&C in the upper thread but fine in the bobbin. The Juki is fine with C&C in either. The old Montgomery WArd is also OK with C&C.

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Date: 8/13/13 2:02 PM

Hello. It's a nice day where I am...how are you?

A thick thread that shreds, balls up and jams the needle...seems like a case of thread too thick for the size of the needle eye.

Also...thread can be too thick...or fine too...for the fabric. Just last week I was having a lot of tension problems until realized I had inadvertently used too fine a thread for the fabric being sewn (and the size of the needle eye)...so changed to another thread that was thicker and the problems stopped. Both threads were C&C and both were labeled as All Purpose but the one thread was certainly finer (thinner) which would have been good if a sheer fabric and a small eye needle were being used...but not what was being sewn at the time.

Here is some info...it's more comprehensive than just about using specialty threads as the title would suggest...it goes over needle and thread weight...etc.

Thread (and more) Info

Edited to ask: Forget to ask if your sm has a horizontal or vertical spool pin. If it's horizontal...was the large spool cap used the the C&C thread?
-- Edited on 8/13/13 2:18 PM --

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Date: 8/13/13 2:33 PM

Even the thread factory can have a bad day. Quality Control must have missed this spool.

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Date: 8/13/13 6:04 PM

I use C&C exclusively. I have not had a problem recently. I did have problems with Gutermann. Every brand can have bad spools. It sounds like everything else on the machine is ok. Sometimes these things are caused by something else-the thread getting hung up somewhere on the machine, the thread getting caught on the spool, a bad needle, etc. So glad you had more thread and got back on track!

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Date: 8/14/13 5:09 PM

Quote: bestgrammy
Edited to ask: Forget to ask if your sm has a horizontal or vertical spool pin. If it's horizontal...was the large spool cap used the the C&C thread?

Wow--does it make a difference? My machine (Viking) has both; I normally sew with the horizontal and generally only use the vertical for winding bobbins, although I have used both at the same time (twin needle type applications). It never occurred to me that some threads might have "preferences." I do know that when I took ill-fated sewing lessons years and years ago, I tried to ask if it mattered which way the spool went on the pin (or, rather, which way the thread comes off the spool), but I've honestly never seen a difference, so I stopped worrying about it! But I'm interested to know about the spool pins.

(I'm a person whose machines definitely seem to work better with particular brands of thread. It's not "supposed" to be that way--but it happens!)

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Date: 8/15/13 12:52 PM

My machines don't like the poly/cotton C&C, but they love the 100% poly C&C.

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Date: 8/15/13 4:06 PM

It may also be how the thread is wound on the spool. I learned this a couple of years ago when I bought my first embroidery machine.
I definitely have better results with cross-wound thread than I do with stacked thread.

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Date: 8/15/13 4:46 PM

Yes, it does make a lot of difference in many ways.

It can be something as simple as whether a spool felt is used on a vertical spool pin or whether the correct size spool cap is used on a horizontal spool pin. Then...more complicated issues are if the thread is stacked or cross-wound on the thread spool and what spool pin best works with each one.

Here is one link with some info which is highlighting specialty threads BUT does address the issues of the threads being stacked or cross-wound.

Thead Info

In the portion about the way the thread is wound on the spool states that a horizontal spool pin is best with a cross-wound thread spool...such as Gutterman. And...a vertical spool pin works best with a stacked thread spool such as Coats & Clark.

Just maybe this explains which thread some "sewing machines" seem to prefer.

Edited to add: Just read on another info site that there is an exception to stacked thread winding off best from a vertical spool pin. If the thread is slippery then as the spool spins on a vertical pin some of the thread could fall down onto the base of the spool and tangle under it...causing stitching problems including broken thread or a broken needle. So...for slippery thread that "puddles" down onto or under the base of the spool as it spins...then such thread would unwind/sew best from a horizontal pin with a proper sized spool cap flush against the spool to keep the spool stationary.
-- Edited on 8/16/13 3:43 AM --

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Date: 8/15/13 11:01 PM

I've had problems with C&C thread on big spools (the 500 yard "specially priced"). The thread seems to have thick and thin spots and sometimes shreds. It's happened with both black and white thread-the only colors I've seen in the 500yd size spool. I wondered if this thread is a cheaper-made version of their regular thread? My machine has always done fine with C&C thread, the older poly/cotton and the newer all poly. It's only the extra-big spools that I've had trouble with. Weird, huh?
Has anyone else had this happen?

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