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Message Board > Sewing Machines > Kenmore Pattern Cam ( Moderated by Sharon1952, EleanorSews)

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Kenmore Pattern Cam
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Date: 9/12/13 3:16 PM

Hi, I'm a new owner of a Vintage Kenmore 158.16012. When I purchased it there were no accessories or even a presser foot on it and the zig zag was frozen. After lubricating and working with the zig zag it now works beautifully. Next, I bought four boxes of accessories from an ebay seller. All wonderful then I discovered I needed a cam for simple stretch straight stitch and stretch zig zag stitch which is cam #21. Anyone out there have a cam #21 for sale I would love to buy it. Thanks.

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Date: 9/14/13 2:32 AM

Have you checked EBAy? I found load of Singer cams there.

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Date: 9/14/13 8:58 AM

Yes. One of my four boxes of accessories was a box of 30 cams. Very nice but it did not include cam #21. Still searching ebay daily. Don't want to buy another whole box of cams. Just the one I need. Hopefully one will eventually turn up.

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Date: 10/2/13 8:17 AM

The box of cams you bought was probably for a machine that had that stitch built in so a #21 cam was not needed. I may have that cam if you are still needing it.

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Date: 10/2/13 10:09 AM

I have a Kenmore with cams so I understand the gist of the thread, but I have to say every time I read the title I imagine a tiny spy camera that can burrow into closed pattern envelopes.

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Date: 10/3/13 2:04 PM

Can you subsitute a narrow zig-zag stitch for the stretch stitch?

Did you get a manual with the machine?


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Date: 10/3/13 2:46 PM

I don't think you will ever get that machine to do any reverse cycle stretch stitches like that. Just because it's not only the cam,or only that it's Kenmore at all, it's also how they built and made the machine too. It has to have that capability first. I think that one is just a bit too old, to be able to do any stretch reverse cycle kind of stitches. When a cam is in there, cam fingers have to ride on the cam, and those control forward movement of the machine, sideways needle bar movement, and reverse cycle feed dog movement, and there are not even any cam riding fingers built into that machine's device where you would put any cam in, to even do that and make it try to reverse cycle the feed dogs like that at all.

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Date: 10/3/13 3:48 PM

Well, you made me curious, so I started Googling around. I bought a set of similar cams for my niece to use with a similar vintage Kenmore, so I'm somewhat familiar with these cams.

I found this review for a 158.17511 which discussed the reverse stitch cams in some detail: Kenmore 158.17511 review, Stitch Nerd blog by Sonia.

You can see that there's a reverse stitch length control knob on the back of the machine, which I assume is how you would determine if your machine does reverse stitching or not.

There are some pictures of reverse stitch cams, stitch outs, and the reviewer provides some info about how to set the stitch width and length to get the desired affect.

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Date: 10/3/13 5:26 PM

Yes, but I think those are just two different machines, and so not the same. I wanted to see what the cam device and cam following/riding fingers even looked like, so I saw a picture of the same model of machine, with the top off, and the cam device here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U92IplEgK34

There is no cam in that machine, but you can see the cam moving device and also the only cam follower/stitch finger that would be riding it, if you even had a cam up on top of it there, of any kind. So I just see nothing to even make your feed dogs know to move backwards (as in reverse cycling) or be able to do that at all, as I do believe you would need that there to do that. The one and only cam riding finger there I believe, is just going to control the needle swing of the machine instead.

Here is your schematic here:

http://www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdirect/part-model/Kenmore-Parts/Sewing-machine-Parts/Model-15816012/0582/1220000?pathTaken=&prst=0&shdMod=15816012

Can't see anything about the cam mechansim that would let you do that either there. As it's only even going to take very flat single style cam finger, kind of cams. The kind that the cam finger riding on the cam, makes the needle bar go sideways. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

I once found a lovely bag of 30 nice pea green double cams for a Kenmore for $3.95 at the Goodwill Store. then I found a Kenmore machine for $15 the same day at another Goodwill Store. I thought they might work together. I did not look at them compared to each other, good enoughOnly when I got home with both, did I realize that was not going to be happening.

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Date: 10/3/13 6:17 PM

Yes, they are two different machines, but sometimes there's a lot of commonality in the features of similar Kenmore machines.

You brought up the question of whether or not the 158.16012 is capable of doing reverse feed stitches. In the review of the 158.17511, the reviewer uses cams 21, 22, 23, & 24, which all seem to be reverse feed stitch cams. (She includes photos of the cams and the stitch-outs.)

The 158.17511 has a reverse stitch length knob on the back of the machine; if the 158.16012 (jlrasnic's machine) also has such a knob at the back, I would assume/guess that the 158.16012 can also do reverse feed stitches -- with the appropriate cams, of course.

CMC
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