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FMQ - Pfaff Creative Vision, Pfaff QE 4.0/4.2 or Bernina 730
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Subject: FMQ - Pfaff Creative Vision, Pfaff QE 4.0/4.2 or Bernina 710 or 750QE Date: 9/16/13 0:35 AM

Haven't sewn in the past ten years. Ready to learn and create! Have a machine for embroidery (Pfaff Creative Vision) and a Pfaff 2058 for piecing and sewing.
Wanted to get your advice on which machine does the best job for FMQ. Want to use a machine /w the larger opening for FMQ.
The Pfaff Creative Vision has the FMQ option. For those of you who are experienced FMQ's, do you think the Creative Vision does FMQ as well as the Pfaff QE 4.0 or 4.2?
Or do you think it is worth spending the money for a Bernina 710 /w BSR or 750QE /w BSR?
I know it takes quite a bit of practice to become proficient at FMQ. I want to make sure I have the right machine for the job.
Thanks ever so much for your feedback!!! I learn so much from reading this board!!
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Date: 9/16/13 0:59 AM

I use my Pfaff Creative Performance for FMQ, and it is brilliant. Personally, I am not totally impressed with the Bernina 7 series.

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Date: 9/16/13 1:40 AM

I would advise you to steer clear of Pfaff QE 4.0. It caused me much heartache and I loathe the machine now...hopeless at FMQ. I now have a Bernina 630 which is brilliant. Alas, no wide harp. I can't comment on the other models. Good luck with your decision.

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Date: 9/16/13 8:23 AM

I FMQ successsfully with the 4.0. However I would think your reative Vision would do well with FMQ. The hardest part of FMQ is learning to do it no matter what machine you use. It takes patience and practice.

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Date: 9/16/13 9:38 AM

I had a QE 4 and it was the BEST machine for FMQ. Now I have a Creative Performance and a Creative 4, and they both FMQ superbly.

I can't see a single reason why your Creative Vision would be unable to FMQ just as well as any other machine.

FMQ is all about finding the correct balance between machine (which does include finding the right tension) and sewer. Yes it does take practice.

If you are serious about a machine JUST for FMQ, why not check out the quilting machines? Like the Sweet 16 (right now that is the only one I can think of, but I KNOW there are more of them!).

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Date: 9/16/13 9:51 AM

If you really only need piecing and FMQ, or if you have a machine that works well for you for your other sewing needs, consider a straight stitch only machine like the Juki 2010q. It has a 9" harp (but taller than most, so might be the same overall space in the harp as the 10" or 12" machines). Perfect straight stitch, auto thread cutter, knee lift. You can even put it on a quilt frame. All mechanical for a long useful life, for less than $1000. Even consider a vintage straight stitcher like the 15-91, without autocut etc of course, but $100 or less.

That's if you're satisfied with your all-around machine for zigzag, deco stitches, buttonholes, etc.

The Bernina BSR is a love-hate thing. I'm a total beginner at FMQ, and what I really need is practice, but it's significantly better with the BSR. Gorgeous, even stitches, just not a gorgeous flowing line, since that's up to me. Others find that the BSR has no benefit for them, or the noises it makes are annoying or whatever. So don't buy a Bernina just for that. If you like a Bernina machine for other reasons, test drive the BSR before buying. If you don't like it, ask the dealer to swap it for some accessories you do want and/or discount the price. If you outgrow it after purchase, there is a used market for those, around $400.

I ADORE my Berninas, especially my 820, 630, and older 1030. Can't vouch for the 7 series, it's a totally different line.

If I were shopping today, as a quilter who does some garment sewing, lots of mending and household sewing, I'd also test drive a Pfaff Performance 5.0, Janome Horizon 8200 and 8900, and Brother DreamWeaver. Those all look fabulous and are getting good reviews. I don't do machine embroidery, that's a whole other hobby, lol, so I'm only talking about sewing and quilting machines.

If there's a machine you love for everything else, though, and you just want more space for FMQ, think about a straight stitcher, all the brands have them.

Best of luck!

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Date: 9/16/13 10:17 AM

You should be able to FMQ with most machines, there is no need for a specific machine. However, it is fun to buy machines. I myself have gone down the scale to lower level machines from pass years to get the best FMQ results - a heavy steady machine with an excellent stitch and trouble free tension is the way to go.

I found that after buying a new machine specifically for FM, my vintage Pfaff 1222E beat the heck out of my new one for this purpose. Just recently I have acquired an old Pfaff Hobby 307 in pristine shape, and even though this is not a German made machine it FMs like a pro, and I am tickled with it. It is heavy, reliable, steady and faster than the 1222E. I wish it had a knee lift but I learned you can't have it all.

Meanwhile the machine I bought specifically for FM does everything else excellently, and has become my go-to machine for garments and fast piecing. FAST is one of my Janomes best features...and solid straight stitches is another one. But enough - just know that you should be able to FM with any machine you want, but some work better I would have to admit.

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Date: 9/16/13 1:54 PM

Really think you need to try them out hands on yourself to see what feels best and produces the best results no matter what we say here.

Re: Pfaff, between the 4.x options I would strongly go to the 4.2. Many have enjoyed trouble free sewing on the 4.0 but many have had some challenges. That said, even if it were not the case, the 4.2 has LED vs. conventional lighting - an absolute decision maker/breaker for me, box feed, some improved tension system.

I have used the BSR some, I'm not a free motion quilter except when absolutely necessary, but one of the things I advise customers to try is using the start/stop button to fmq. Since stitch quality is dependent on a combination of consistent speed and you moving the fabric, using the start/stop button option vs. foot pedal removes one of two variables and allows you to focus on smooth consistent movement.

Good luck, have fun!

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Date: 9/16/13 3:45 PM

All of the tips are great tips.

I might add to think about what sort of FMQ you would like to do. For example - do you plan to create heirloom reproduction style quilting motifs? Do you want to stitch slow and methodically?

Me? I like to stitch fast and do crazy squiggle mess over everything. I think a super fast machine like the Straight Stitch machines are perfect for me. As another person said - I could add a frame and computerized quilting if I wanted.

But, the the machines that can also do embroidery can also do quilting in a hoop. Its too slow for me - but its beautiful.

I dont even cover or drop the feed dogs on my machines anymore to FMQ - The most basic machine can do great FMQ stitching. I dont use my leg lift anymore - but I like thread snips. I guess Im just trying to say - if you dont want to spend big bucks - you dont need to. If you want to -- do it!

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Date: 9/16/13 3:51 PM

I also vote for a straight stitch machine like the Brother PQ1500S, the Babylock twin, Janome 1600 or the Juki (Pfaff and Viking had these but are no longer in production). The Brother machine is metal, heavy, perfectly flat bed and includes a small quilt table and a knee lift. It can sew much faster, 1500 spm and I find a needle moving faster easier to get even stitches. These machine have a full rotary metal hook and load from the left side.

The BSR on the Bernina is nice, but the reason it beeps is because the user has outrun it's stitch regulation. Try setting up the machines you have to get a feel for how they free motion quilt. Than go out and test other machines to see what gives you the best results.

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