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Message Board > Sewing Machines > singer talent 3321 ( Moderated by Sharon1952, EleanorSews)

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Date: 10/26/13 8:35 AM

hi we have just bought this machine and having alot of problem in using the needle threader , with the instrustions it says raise the needle to its highest position
press lever a down as far as it will go ,
the treader auto swings to the trreading position b,
pass thread around thread guide c
pass the thread in front of the needle around the hook d from bottom to top ,
release lever a
pull the thread through the needle eye ,
what happens every time is that the thread does not go through the eye of the needle we have contected the sellar on ebay and not getting alot of help they have said that the needle or the threader may be bent so we changed the needle we looked at the threader it is ok but still the thread wont go through the needle we have also searched on line about auto needle threaders and how to work them in which it still dont work so now we are woundering why it is not working
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Date: 10/26/13 10:20 AM

Get down to the level of the needle and look at where the wire is connecting, or not with the needle.

Practice with a large (14 or 16) size needle.

The wire is very small and trying to force it through the eye of a small needle or missing the eye can bend or even break the wire.

Visual of what you are doing now, which is correct. Press the forward button for advancing to each step.


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Date: 10/26/13 11:22 AM

thank you for your reply i did look on that site and it seems to be doing it differnet than the instruction book , if the pin is bent how would i fix this problem , we have said to the seller on ebay that we have had problems with the auto needle threader since it was opened up so we are thinking that it is possible that it was damaaged in the first place if this is the problem thanks

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Date: 10/26/13 4:52 PM

Those needle threader cartridge things are always the weakest thing on any machine, (no matter what one it is or whom makes it) and are not even supposed to last the life of a machine at all, just since if they ever even get bent up, just once by someone forcing them, or using them wrong, then they don't work good anymore.

I think they should work good, at least the first few times though, if you are using them in the most gentle and correct of of manners, and then after that it is pretty much always up to just how you choose to use them, the better you do that, the longer they last without the little metal piece that goes through the needle getting bent up.

If when you go to use it, you really see the metal piece go through the eye of your needle, and you are not getting your thread pulled though, then it's a pretty safe bet that the problem is what you are doing and how holding thread and such, is just not making it catch there, or maybe it is, but then even your grip on that thread, is just making the loop of it, go way, before it even gets all the way though there.

If instead, the little metal piece never gets though the needle eye to begin with, now it's bent up and that is why that happens instead. Most times on any of my machines that have those things, I can "fix" that with just a pair of tweezers and gripping it and bending it a bit back in the direction it needs to go. You could try that. I think there is for sure though, a limit to the amount of times you can do that though, as eventually the metal piece that needs to go through the needle, will snap of and break instead. then you need a new needle threading cartridge for just what ever machine you have.

Most times on all my machines like that, I actually just get a few extras and from the get go, just since you know that will be happening at some point. When it happens though, can be kind of postponed and extended, by how careful you use them.

So if you know yours is bent up, just since it never even goes through the needle eye, and you can't rebend it to make it work again, then you do need to put a new needle threader cartridge on there. They are probably pretty cheap. So if it was me, I would try to rebend it, and if that worked would be good to go. If you can't do that, I think you need to order or ask them to send you a new little needle threader cartridge instead at that point probably.

Or just let someone else try to use it, and see if it works for them instead, or if they can rebend it to make that happen.

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Date: 10/26/13 6:21 PM

Take it into a Singer dealer and ask them to show you how this is done. If the threader is bent, it can be bent back. You have to be careful not to break it. If it is broken the dealer can fit it the machine with a new threader.

This is not enough of an issue to bother the seller with.


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Date: 10/27/13 3:18 AM

thank you for your replys i have posted a couple of pictures for you to look at this problem has been the same since we opened the box on friday so we have tried to use the needle thereader for 3 days with out ny luck , what happens is every time the thread goes around the needle or the clasp where the needle sits after we release the needle threader on the left , the reason why we bought this was because we thought the needle threader would have made it easy to thread the needle thanks



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Date: 10/27/13 5:52 AM

there are hand held sewing machine before threaders that cost around $6 and work very well

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Date: 10/27/13 6:09 AM

One thing that MIGHT be causing the thread not to line up correctly is that you have missed the thread guide just above the needle...get that thread correctly even if it doesn't help with using the threader...because stitching/tension will not be right without that thread guide threaded. What size needle is being used too? I am out of town and do not have my sewing machine with me...and it's a different model than yours too...but something doesn't look right. I am going to try to find you sm manual to see it's illustrations.

Edited to add: My mistake...the sm manual illustration does show that the needle thread guide is not threaded when using the needle threader.

Hope this youtube video helps: Singer Needle Threader
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Date: 10/27/13 7:06 AM

thank you for your replys we had a look at the video link and it looks like that the thread is behind the needle , which is diifferent to what the manual says ,when asking the seller about the needle threader they have said about a tiny hook but we are unable to see a tiny hook that goes through the needle eye, another thing with the video link she has taken the needle threader twice , if we pull down the needle threader that far it will go past the needle eye , sorry about picture seems to have gone the other way .. thanks for looking


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Date: 10/27/13 8:22 AM

You do have the machine miss-threaded and not threaded right, before you even get to the part you need to use the needle threader for. Just since you have missed putting the thread in the very last thread guide. That thread guide is the one right at the top of the needle there. The thread goes into that one, feeding in from the right to the left. When it's in that last thread guide correct the thread would be hanging straight down the needle.

When you look at the written and printed directions, where they even show the last thread guide there, they got a pretty crummy diagram of it, just since they don't show the thread going though the last thread guide there all that clearly. Just since they drew a straight line there across the last thread guide. They should have erased the tiny bit of the thread line where it crosses the last thread guide, so it looks more clearly that the thread is behind that piece of metal instead. So the illustration in the book, on that last thread guide is kind of wonky, so just ignore it. But the thread still needs to go in there, anyways.

I also can see, the hook part of the needle threader is not going into your needle eye. On the first photo, looks like it's on the right side of the needle instead and a little bit low. I think if you thread that very last thread guide, and then also if then you turn your fly wheel towards you, just a tiny bit by hand so your needle lowers it's self 1 to 2mm lower, then the hook would go through the needle eye, and a loop of thread would go through there. You still then have to use your fingers to pull the loop all the way through though. But try that.

3 days is way too long to try to learn to use a needle threader though, after even only part of a day, I think you should just take it someplace that someone can just show you how to use it instead probably.
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