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Date: 11/5/13 5:46 PM

So did anyone watch Frontline this week? I recorded it and just watched it last night. Basically it was on these "nightmare" bacteria that we have grown by over-use of antibiotics. They have become so resistant that when they rear their ugly head, we have no antibiotics that can kill them, so they become fatal quickly.

What is really scary though (because that isn't enough), is that the wonderful drug companies in this country have closed up shop in the R&D departments for developing new antibiotics. They have determined that their portfolio does not justify development of a drug that's only purpose is to be given for a short period of time. "It does not suit their bottom line". So, as these new viruses are spreading and taking over hospitals, where once they invade they can NEVER be expelled, the drug companies have focused all their efforts on things that make them more money and turned their backs on the drugs that will save lives. They say Pfizer was one of the last big ones who had still been trying to find new antibiotics. They were the head of the antibiotics game in the industry and had considered it a "moral obligation" to stay in it for the long haul. They just closed up shop last year and fired their entire research lab in CT. A direct quote from their rep "we need to focus on our portfolio".

I wonder who will be buying all their cholesterol meds that do make them money when everyone dies of simple cuts and scrapes.

I think this all goes to the other topic about health care. We are a nation going to much for profit and not enough about the health and good of the people.

Wow.... I am beginning to wish I hadn't watched it. I am seeing germs everywhere!

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Date: 11/5/13 6:00 PM

The problem is that we can't keep up with the mutation of the bacteria by R&D of new drugs, at least not indefinitely with prescriptions being handed out like candy and patients not following instructions on taking their meds and with the fact that bacteria can reproduce at an amazing rate, and thus mutations will always be faster than any of our research. At some point, the microorganism will evolve too quickly. It seems that we're getting to that point now.

Prescription habits should have changed years ago and patients should not have been getting prescription antibiotics for sniffles or because they asked for it. Also, patients not taking all their antibiotics have increased the drug resistance in various strains of bacteria. And don't even get me started on the anti-bacterial soaps in every restroom and kitchen (practically) that just help to increase resistance as well. I know that as a lab tech I've seen a growing bacterial resistance to all sorts of antibiotics, and I'm not surprised that it's finally catching up to us.

I'm sorry that this story was disturbing to you, but I also wish that the message had gotten out years ago.

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Date: 11/5/13 6:21 PM

and all the overuse of antibiotics in livestock production

Antibiotic use on farms

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Date: 11/5/13 6:22 PM

I completely agree about the over use. I also agree with the anti bacterial everything. I actually think (maybe wrongly so) that over cleaning and over sterilizing our homes, over filtering our drinking water, and things of that nature, are why are kids are so sick and allergic to everything. I do not have anti-bacterial soap in my house for everyday use. I use steam to clean, not harsh chemicals. I don't let the doctor put me or my kids on antibiotics for no reason. I understood that this could happen. I also understood that there were so called super bugs out there.

What I find disturbing is that they are giving up on R&D completely. That they are actually not even saying we "can't" do it. They said Pfizer had the most promising line of research going and if anyone was close to a new line it was them. They are saying they WONT because it doesn't suit their bottom line. This is along the lines to the insurance companies saying a surgery is not financially in their best interest and letting the patient die... except for the entire population.

I am saying I am now seeing germs everywhere, because while I am not normally afraid of germs, and normally would let my kids get into everything, I am now wondering "what if one of my kids gets this and they don't have something and are not even working toward something?". One of the stories was a little girl who was perfectly healthy who picked a scab. She didn't catch it in a hospital, wasn't sick, just a simple cut. That is scary, especially when you have kids that cut and scrape themselves all the time.

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Date: 11/5/13 6:59 PM

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and all the overuse of antibiotics in livestock production



Antibiotic use on farms

Oh dear!

The special I watched actually said it had a whole separate special just for this subject coming in spring. That is a lot of antibiotics in the environment. I love the quote in the article about historians looking back on our timeline asking how we could be so stupid. Yup, that about sums it up.
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Date: 11/5/13 7:37 PM

Kalindi - I agree it is scary but I hate that the patient/consumer or even the family docs get blamed for this. I have a feeling it has a lot more to do with industrial use than individual use. I have not had a doctor give gratuitous prescriptions for antibiotics for a very long time. In fact, it can be hard to get some to prescribe at all and people, including babies, have to get very sick before they get treated sometimes.

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Date: 11/5/13 8:24 PM

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So, as these new viruses are spreading and taking over hospitals, where once they invade they can NEVER be expelled, the drug companies have focused all their efforts on things that make them more money and turned their backs on the drugs that will save lives.
Why doesn't this surprise me? Anyone here know who Linus Pauling was? I do.

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Date: 11/5/13 8:34 PM

The message about antibacterial soaps is definitely NOT getting through. I consult for a pharmaceutical company that has antibacterial soap in the restrooms, and my brother the doctor has it all over his house.

Soap, warm water and scrubbing does an excellent job of cleaning hands. If you use hand sanitizer, it does NOT kill bacteria and viruses instantly. Hands should be kept wet with the sanitizer for at least 30 seconds.

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Date: 11/5/13 8:40 PM

Tourist, I'm glad that you haven't had a doctor give unnecessary antibiotics in a long time. Maybe things are turning around. I'm not convinced, however. I was horrified when pregnant with #2 to have the OB's office call in a prescription for me for a Z-pak (azithromycin) without even examining me! (I called my family doctor's office and begged them to actually listen to my lungs before getting anything filled - the OB's office didn't want me coming in, because of all the other pregnant patients.)

My colleagues and I used to complain about how everyone blamed food animal veterinarians for the increase in antibiotic resistance, when human doctors handed antibiotics out like wildfire. I can't tell you how many people I have known who were able to get antibiotics for bad colds.

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Date: 11/5/13 9:26 PM

I am wondering if again we are seeing a difference in US vs. Canada here. This is not what I see in the US. Especially not at the walk in clinic type places like Target or Patient First. It is "here's your antibiotic". I am sure there are some that refuse, but not nearly as many that take it and assume the doc knows what they are doing and leave.

For instance my daughter got bit by a tic this summer. She had the tell tale signs of Lyme disease, the target rash. I noticed on a Friday evening and brought her right to a Patient First so she could see a doctor right away. The doctor did what everything online said they would, take blood, then prescribed antibiotics (thank goodness we have them for this!), but everything I read online said they recommend antibiotics to run 14-21 days. This doctor wrote it for 14 days, because that is all she could, but said to follow up with my family doctor (because I had one), she would recommend antibiotics for 5 weeks. Of course my family doc ran them for the 21 days and everything was fine thankfully. But had I not had a family doc and relied on this woman to prescribe the next dose, she would have had my DD on them for a full 5 weeks.

We either have overzealous doctors or seriously under educated ones. Either way we have an issue.

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