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Message Board > Sewing Machines > I need help BIG TIME!!! 18221 and 16221 owners ( Moderated by Sharon1952, EleanorSews)

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Date: 12/27/13 3:14 PM

Hi all. I've just brought home a gently used Kenmore 18221 and in the process of cleaning her up. I noticed the bobbin winding guide was loose and flopping around. It wouldn't tighten so I decided to the dumbest thing in the world. I started to unscrew the bobbin guide on my only working machine in the house...the 16221, to see if maybe I could find the solution. Now I can't tighten any of them back up.

I went to the manual, after the fact ... of course! It said to only turn the screw half turns in either direction, never unscrew all the way!!!! I'm now trying to take the bottom panel off(because I can't find a way to take the top off) and see if there is a nut on the inside I need to hold on to to fix this. I can't get the bottom to come all the way off. It's as though something is holding it and I can't figure out what...can anyone help me or am I just doomed to take all my machines to the tech in one trip and never unscrew another screw in my life????

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Date: 12/27/13 11:09 PM


Don't know what to tell you, except I did that on my Pfaff 1475 once, and yes, the nut did fall off and down into the machine. So then I was sitting there cross legged on the floor on a white sheet spread out that way, with the top of the machine off, and even saran wrap stretched over the circuit board in the bottom of the machine also (so nut could not fall down into there even deeper, and short anything out sitting on there) and shaking machine upside down to get it back. I got it back, took about an hour though! Now I have it there, also masking taped on under there too, so I can never forget that again. It ended up not being a particular bad thing for me, as now years later, I can really take apart just about any machine anyplace and get it back together though too.

So I think all kind of depends on you more than just the machine of course also. But having a diagram of everything in there and not having to guess at all, I think would always be way better than just not having one at all either. So on that thought, here one is:

http://www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdirect/part-model/Kenmore-Parts/Sewing-machine-Parts/Model-38518221800/0582/1220000?pathTaken=&prst=0&shdMod=38518221800

I think I do see a nut as the very last item in the stack there. It's item #9 on the Top cover/handle (22 parts) schematic there.

So your choice on if you wish to do whatever I guess. Good luck on it, no matter which you choose though



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Date: 12/28/13 0:26 AM

Someone screwed it off our machine for church charity quilting, also. It seems to work ok (not sure about the finer points) so we just continue using it. I will look for a loose piece next time I take it home for maintenance.
I did use searspartsdirect for a screw that was lost. I also ordered bobbins at the same time because the shipping was so expensive.
-- Edited on 12/28/13 0:30 AM --

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Date: 12/28/13 9:07 AM

Thanks to you both for responding. I looked all over the web for that piece by piece diagram and couldn't find it I've proven to myself that I'm not technologically or mechanically inclined, at all!!

Odd thing, the 18221 bobbin guide lifted right out, so the nut is no longer on the end of the screw. I didn't hear it or find it when I opened up what part of the bottom plate that I could. Nothing fell out. Now I'm wondering if it's in one of the working parts and will damage the machine. I did run it a while last night and seems to be doing fine. I did find I can still wind bobbins, just have to keep an eye on them.

Luckily I didn't unscrew the 16221 completely. Just enough to not be able to get the nut to catch and tighten the screw. I still can't figure out what was holding the bottom plate on to keep me from removing it completely. I still wonder if I would have been able to reach the nut if I had removed the plate all the way.

I have given up on "tearing down" anymore of my machines. Seems I make more of a problem when I do. I just don't understand them well enough on the inside to do this. I have the money to pay someone to do it for me and it seems I making more of a costly repair, the more I try to do myself. I think I'll use them until it's "spa" time, then let the tech take care of fixing the bobbin guide when they have them open for cleaning. I do know that both of my Kenmores are very clean right now, grease looks good. I can probably get all three of my mechanicals, repaired and cleaned for less than the price of a new machine. I'm still looking at hundreds

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Date: 12/28/13 9:33 AM

I married a genius! As I was typing the earlier post, hubby came in the room and I went to the link that showed the pieces and parts. He had an idea, of how to fix my 16221, that had not completely been unscrewed.

Hubby suggested holding the screw up as high as we could, and it might make the nut catch. Well the two of us make a great surgical team He lifted the screw and casing up, as far as it would go. We slipped a very thin screwdriver just under the casing to hold it and the screw up. We then tied a string around the head of the screw and I held on to it tight, while pulling up. Hubby began to screw the screw ....lo and behold, it began to tighten!!!! My 16221 is fixed! He's a genius

The 18221 I just purchased from the Craigslist seller, was already completely unscrewed when I got her. I didn't realize it till I tilted her over to clean out the bottom area. I heard something rattling on top...it was the bobbin guide, it pulled right out with the slightest touch. My worry now is, where is that nut! It didn't fall out when I opened the machine, nothing is rattling inside. My hope is it's not stuck in the works(she seems to be running fine...so far) and that maybe it fell out when the previous owner lifted the machine at some point.

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Date: 12/28/13 10:32 AM

Glad you and your DH got your 16221 fixed.

Here is a link to parts diagram (schematic) for 18221: Schmetic for 385.18221

Edited to add: The first diagram which is labeled Top Cover/Handle...click on that...then on the next page click + to enlarge it enough to see parts #3 and #4 well. I think it's part #4 that your 18221 sm has "lost"...in the parts list it's called a snap ring.
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Date: 12/28/13 11:03 AM

bestgrammy, thank you for the link. It's actually number 9 that's missing. That little nut that goes on the bottom of the bobbin winding guide screw.

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Date: 12/28/13 11:17 AM

That area to which #9 is for looks to me like the bobbin winding stopper.

Edited to add: Now I understand how a bobbin can still be wound just as well with the stopper detached from the sm and just having to watch it...have to watch out for the bobbin to be full anyway even with the stopper functioning. When thinking it was the bobbin winding thread guide I was curious how it was going to function just nestled in place and not securely fastened.

If anything to be broken...the stopper is the least problematic.
Enjoy the new addition to your sewing family.
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Date: 12/28/13 4:41 PM

All right, glad it works! You two are a good team!!!

I don't think the lost nut down in the bottom of the machine will hurt or get caught up into anything at all most of the time. Even if it did, if you just turned the machine upside down and jiggled it, maybe 50/50 chance it would even probably come free again. Only if for some reason if the whole machine actually got jammed up and even just stopped turning would I even worry about it, at all.

It's different if you have a machine with a electronic circuit board in it, and you lost or dropped something metal in it, like that and particular if that is or ends up laying flat in the bottom of a machine, (like my Pfaff 1475 was made) just since then a pin or a free floating nut or something moving about and metal might really be laying across it, and be able to hurt it and short it out even. But you got none of that.
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Date: 12/30/13 5:09 PM

Eureka! So how are they sewing? Like them?

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