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Date: 12/28/13 3:10 PM

So here's my story:
I purchased a refurbished Pfaff 130 from zeussmachines (on line) I primarily wanted it for heavy sewing like jeans and possibly some crafts using old sails. I also wanted to be able to use heavier threads such as V69 or 92 as well as denim topstitching threads that my bernina struggles with. This was kind of a spur of the moment thing and as soon as I paid for it I suddenly had buyers remorse. I am still waiting for it to arrive…
Today…I went to a local fabric store that sells Juki. They are having a blow out/moving sale and there on the table was the Juki! (how dare they tempt me, right?!) So of course I had to play with it. WOW! what a great machine! Now I'm kind of wishing I had that instead. It's on sale for $799 and I have until Monday to decide if I want it at that price. Once they move it goes back up to $999.
Sooooo…….I would love some feed back from both machine owners. I'm wondering how the Juki handles heavy threads and heavy fabrics. Does the Juki have the piercing power to stitch through several layers of sail material? How does it handle the multi layers of denim? Whats the largest size needle that each machine can accommodate?
I can't cancel/return the Pfaff but was thinking of selling it to recoup for the Juki.

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Date: 12/28/13 3:27 PM

I adore my JUKI! I have not tried sail material, but it handles multiple heavy denim layers with ease. I've not had trouble with heavy thread either. I just use an appropriate needled.

Also, once you have the heel tap scissors, you will wish ALL machines had that feature. I was worried I wouldn't like it, but it is AWESOME!

I have not tried the Pfaff 130 for comparison, but I don't think you can go wrong with the Juki for what you want.

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Date: 12/28/13 4:05 PM

I have owned both.
Pfaff 130 -- The presser foot does not lift really very high to be able to fit a whole lot of stuff under there. But what you can fit, it will definitely sew through it. Could have been just me, trying to test 20 layers of denim or something wild like that. But, I think the Juki's foot lifts higher.
I have some size 21 needles, and I do believe it took those. I can send you some (I have way too many) just for you to see if they work. PM me if interested. My Juki is in the closet right now, but I can check to see what size needle it goes up to, but it'll be later today.

Having a straight stitch only machine is a good thing. On the Juki, the presser foot lifts a bit higher, and it has speed control, which is nice. It's known to do great free motion work if you do that, and has the large harp area. The Pfaff of course will zig zag. So, you may find that you love both machines!

Just baby that Pfaff, oil her regularly, and know that the belt cannot be replaced unless you find a donor machine, so don't get any polypropylene products on it at all, if cleaning, etc. People tend to keep the belts when they do find an otherwise *bad* machine, so it's hard to find them. Join the yahoo group for these! They are GREAT people at helping you out! I forget the name of the group, but they were invaluable for me.

I sold my Pfaff 130 because it was just too heavy, and I tend to switch out machines a lot.
Overall, I think they are about equal in their abilities to go through layers. The Juki may have better feed, being a newer technology machine. It sewed over the plastic of a flower head pin without me even knowing it till I removed the project!

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Date: 12/28/13 4:32 PM

Southernstitch…one of my concerns with the pfaff was repairs and the belt. Not too many repair techs around to do that.
The presser lift is an issue as well. Juki is listed as 9mm - 12mm depending on if you use hand lift or knee lift. And then the ability to use knee on Juki is another plus. I just noticed on my brochure that the Juki takes needles size 7-18. Thats a plus.
Sonoma…Glad you love yours.
I'm sure you can see which direction I'm heading in.
Does $799 sound like a good price?? Drats!!! Why did I have to buy the pfaf so darn quick!!
Oh….and the feed on the Juki was amazing!!
-- Edited on 12/28/13 4:33 PM --

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Date: 12/28/13 4:38 PM

Where I live, that would be an excellent price. I paid around $1000 for mine, and don't regret it at that price.

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Date: 12/29/13 2:50 AM

$799 is an exceptional price for the Juki 2010Q. If you can grab that puppy, do so. I love mine.

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Date: 12/29/13 9:48 PM

I have the Pfaff 130 and feel it does fine with denim and most heavier fabrics. It does well with 69 thread but I don't use it frequently enough to be an expert. It would be hard to beat it for a home machine with considerable strength and reliability. Parts like motor belts and bobbins are easy to find but of course this is a very old machine. Mine has never needed any repair, so far.

The problem of getting material under the presser foot is one I have encountered on this and every home machine I have used. You may find the same issue with the Juki. The lower presser foot makes a more versatile machine most times and that is good for someone who uses many material types. Perhaps if you do a lot of, or only heavy weight materials and need bigger than 69 thread often you may consider a walking foot industrial machine. I use one in my workplace and find them to the best for that use. To save money a used one might do fine for you.
-- Edited on 12/29/13 10:10 PM --

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Date: 12/30/13 9:23 PM

Thanks for your reply. I was under the impression that repairs and parts would be difficult to find for the 130.
I wouldn't be using the heavier threads on a regular basis, but would like to have that option on occasion. I like to do projects with heavier fabrics.
I had a sailrite LSZ1 which is a walking foot machine but I didn't bond with it. It was very bulky....not much harp space at all and difficult to work with. It was a great machine but just not for me.
I'm still waiting for my 130 to arrive....any day now *I hope*! I'll play around with it and then go back and test drive the juki. I'm still on the fence about keeping the 130. I'm thinking I'll sell it.....

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Date: 12/31/13 11:51 AM

I am looking forward to your observations on the topic, after you get the Pfaff and try the Juki.

About the belts, the regular motor belts are very easy to find, as they seem to be used on older Singers too. The only belt that may be trouble and possibly the one spoken of above is an interior drive belt, with cleats. Someone was looking for one from a later Pfaff (332) one time and asked me for a source. I found one but it was an expensive part. How it broke, I can't imagine but if you bought a reconditioned machine that would be very unlikely to happen. Taking care of older machines is always good advice. Keeping track of the attachments too, as they are not available at the quilt shop. I must add that the post above is correct about heavy. Yes it is heavy. Damn. I put mine in a little Singer Cabinet.

One part that was indeed hard to find was a walking foot that worked well. It took me a few tries but I did find one, and if you need help with this email me.

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Date: 12/31/13 12:32 PM

Yes, it's the interior drive belt I was referring to. They are tough as nails, but don't respond well to polypropylene products - can cause a break down from what I've heard anyway. (I THINK it's polypropylene anyway - the Pfaff 130 forum would be able to clarify that for you). I would think though, that you'd have to subject said belt to a lot of it over the years, but it's been known to happen, apparently.
The person who walked us through fixing ours was fantastic, and from that Pfaff yahoo group. He told me lots of interesting stories about these machines, and the manufacturing process.

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