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Date: 2/1/14 0:40 AM

This is a very basic question, but do you hoop your bottom layer of stabilizer? I assumed that you do hoop it. But I watched a few videos in anticipation of testing out my just-delivered-today Brother pe500, and I saw it done both ways. One lady hooped both the tear-away stabilizer and her fabric together, and she seemed to struggle getting them both in the hoop. On another video, a different lady hooped only her fabric, then she placed her stiff stabilizer under her hoop just as she put the hoop under the needle, clamped it into place, and then stitched out her design.

I had heard that some people just lay a piece of water soluble stabilizer on top of their hooped fabric when embroidering terry cloth. It had never occurred to me to not hoop the bottom stabilizer, but it looks easier. Have you tried both ways and what works the best? THANKS!!!

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Date: 2/1/14 8:21 AM

I pretty much always hoop my stabilizer. If the fabric is too thick to hoop with it I use sticky stabilizer or spray adhesive to lay fabric ontop of the stabilizer. I embroider alot and the only time I do not use stabilizer is when I am embroidering on a quilt sandwich. I use a wash away topper whenever the stitches may sink into the nap of the fabric. Occassionally to get a good stitch I not only hoop my stabilizer but also float a layer of stabilizer under the hooped stabilizer. Its a trial and error learning curve to know what works best for you and your projects.

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Date: 2/1/14 4:34 PM

I noticed on the "hooping" videos I was able to find, the lady is always using a spray-on temporary adhesive to attach her tear-away stabilizer to her fabric before hooping. And in my Owners Manual, they seem to assume that you will be using iron-on stabilizer despite the fact that the stabilizer that comes w/the machine is non-fusible tear-away stabilizer.

I am having trouble hooping, and these 8x8 squares that came w/the machine seem BARELY long enough for the long side of the hoop. Using iron-on or adhesive would probably help, but I don't have those today. There is no place to buy this stuff locally, so buying online is what I will do, but I did not stock up in advance b/c I wanted to be sure the machine arrived in good shape, worked well, etc before investing in online purchases that would be harder to return.

Sooo, everyone please let me know--do you typically use iron on or spray adhesive to adhere your stabilizer to your fabric before hooping? Every have any trouble with the fusible stabilizer or spray-on adhesive gunking up your machine?

And another question -- I notice that in the tutorial videos, they just stick the fabric in the hoop and embroider away with no mention of how to determine where the design will go. That is fine for testing out the machine to be sure I have correct stabilizer, threading, etc. But on a "real" project, it seems I need to be very precise about where the monogram or design goes. The machine came with a grid to fit over the hoop, but the manual's directions are super confusing on that part. If making an item from scratch, I guess there is more fudge-room on where the design goes as long as I embroider first on a larger piece of fabric before cutting out the pillow or pocket or whatever I am making. But on a store-bought scarf or blanket jacket or vest, I will need perfect placement and I am not seeing much in the way of instructions on that. Any tips you use or other sources of directions that you know of?

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Date: 2/2/14 1:12 AM

Try emblibrary.com there are lots of great tutorials and info that will help you.
There are many different stabilizers out there and each serves a different purpose.
Nancy Zieman is another good source for tutorials.
I do about the same as Julkane with my stabilizers. It just depends on the fabric content or item I'm embroidering.
As far as placement, that is a whole other learning curve. Again, the two sources I gave you should really help.
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Date: 2/2/14 1:56 AM

I'm just starting out with embroidery too and have learned a lot from Craftsy classes. I wait for them to be on sale. I like that you can contact the instructor and get expert advice. My favorite teacher is Deborah Jones and I like Eilene Roche too. There's another woman, can't think of her name, but if Craftsy works for you and your budget, browse their embroidery classes for what you need. There's lots about accurate alignment on premade items.

For adhesive spray, Sulky's gets consistent high praise, especially for not gumming up your machine.

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Date: 2/2/14 3:54 AM

I very rarely hoop my fabric. If I don't have sticky stabiliser to hand I use either a glue spray or pins (more often pins) then sometimes use tacking stitches. All seem to work well.

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Date: 2/2/14 11:09 AM

When I took the lessons that came with my first embroidery machine, the instructor never hooped and taught us that way. You use Sticky in the hoop to make a frame, then stick on your stabilizer and fabric.
Instead of Sticky you can use cheap tear away for the frame with glue stick/spray adhesive.

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Date: 2/2/14 12:40 PM

It depends a bit on what you are going to embroider. I just did a Teddy Bear on RipStop and hooped only the fabric and slipped cut away under it.

For a heavy napped fabric, such as terry you want to be able to embroider without the loops getting in the way. A topper of WSS will do this.

Deborah Jones is a super resource, Eileen Roche will try to sell you something.

Embroidery Library is another great source for tutorials, techniques and tips.


-- Edited on 2/2/14 12:42 PM --

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Date: 2/2/14 8:56 PM

Thanks to ALL of you for your replies!

Diane, just to clarify, are you saying you hoop your fabric and just attach sticky stabilizer behind it (or use tearaway behind it attached with spray adhesive)?? When you say, "You use Sticky in the hoop to make a frame..."--what do you mean? Sorry, I am such a newbie that I don't know some things that may be obvious to others:) THANK YOU!

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Date: 2/2/14 9:27 PM

You have to be sure tear away is the right stabilizer for the fabric as well as the embroidery.

To make a sticky frame, you hoop sticky back stabilizer, then score an area in the center of the hoop large enough for the area to be embroidered and remove that paper.

The hoop has raised "bits" at the center of each of the hoop's four sides. If you draw a line across center (top to bottom nd side to side) You have the center of the hoop. Or, you can just Mark an x where you want the design to be located. Either way, you still need to use the machine's functions to jog the center of the design to match where x marks the spot.

Adhesives can gum up the thread and needle due to the heat of the needle. Use Titanium coated needles and there will be no gum or gunk.

Practice on old items using those designs that are built into the machine. And use the correct weight of machine embroidery bobbin thread; 90 weight for Brother embroidery only machines.


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