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Date: 2/13/14 6:57 PM

I am so embarrassed! I purchased a digital embroidery design of a horse head. It uses 7 colors of rayon Madeira thread. ( I didnt have the correct thread so I used the polyneon)and it was a disaster. Im blaming it on the thread OR the material I used which was a thin thermal cotton shirt. So I tried it again. THIS time, it came out looking like it is inside out!! None of the colors show up but the white ( bobbin) thread I purchased all the correct rayon thread it calls for BUT, why did the embroidery turn out that way? Does any of this make sense? Am I supposed to use another color for the bobbin? I just received my new thread but dont want to make the same mistakes again. Thanks for any info/help

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Date: 2/13/14 11:00 PM

Hi there and welcome to PR, JessicaJean!

I wish I could give you advice about your embroidery, but I don't know the first thing. (I haven't done any thus far.)

I know you'll get some superb advice here, though!

And I want to say -- Don't be at all embarrassed!! Oh no, not at all! We all were newbies at one time or another (and there's so much to sewing, that we're all potential newbies in some area or other -- as I would be if I took up machine embroidery). No embarrassment, just mutual learning and sharing and joy here. I'll be learning along with you in this thread.

Glad you joined us here!

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Date: 2/14/14 3:31 AM

Is this your first design? It sounds like your tension is off if the white bobbin thread is pulling to the top. If you stitch out a built-in design on your fabric, does the same thing happen?
If you suspect the fabric, stitch out the built-in design on just some heavy cut away stabilizer- and if that comes out OK, then do the purchased one.
If the built in design on the heavy stabilizer is also inside out looking from white bobbin threads then you will need to adjust your tension.
If it comes out OK on the stabilizer than your fabric probably needs more stabilizer support.
If just the horse design is that way, it could be a bad design. You could try contacting the company and asking for a refund.

There are differences in threads- mostly it is rayon and polyester. Rayon has a softer, shiny finish. Polyester is less soft and shiny and when used with a dense stitch count it can come out like cardboard. Cotton is more muted. Neither type should give inside out results. In general, can use any brand on any design (metro, maderia, isacord, floriani, etc).

Some machines have a preference for a particular brand. If you switch brands and get tension or nesting problems, then you are better off sticking with a brand that works better- at least while you are learning.

You don't need to stick to particular colors. If you know your machine does well with polyester thread from company Y or rayon thread made by company X then try your horse design in that thread. Pick just one color and stitch it out on stabilizer. You will then know if the design was well digitized.

As you get more experience, you can try other fabrics, then other threads and stabilizers. A good way to get comfortable is to begin with heavy and medium weight wovens on either cut away or tear away. Try various thread types and brands- it is OK to mix brands- if your machine likes them. When you figure out what brands work best, then build your collection of colors.

After you get comfortable on wovens, try knits and the light weight wovens and begin building your stash of different stabilizers. Then move on to towels, fleeces and toppings. Before you know it, you will be giving advice to others!

if you can afford a Craftsy embroidery class go for it. Or get the book Embroider with Confidence or watch that show online (nancy zieman) or check with your library. There are lots of online free tutorials. Plus, of course, PR.

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Date: 2/14/14 4:05 AM

I see this is your second message and both are about embroidery and posted in the Beginners Forum.
Nothing wrong with that but you may find that you will get quicker responses from more people dedicated to embroidering if you post your questions in the Embroidery Forum

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Date: 2/14/14 8:12 AM

Thank you Sandi, I will try that!! Also, I had'nt realised that there was another beginner "embroidery" forum, my 1st question I received some really nice comments and tips so I didnt think twice on asking on this forum. Will look for the "other" one...thanks

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Date: 2/14/14 8:14 AM

Thank you so much for your Kindness Shaniseamstressing! I really appreciate it. Really enjoying this site!!

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Date: 2/27/14 3:26 PM

Also, embroidery bobbin thread is usually clear and not regular regular white embroidery thread!

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Date: 2/27/14 3:33 PM

I use the black and white bobbinfil thread, generally. Didn't know there was a clear one, but I don't typically see them on the front anyways.

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Date: 2/27/14 3:44 PM

Sorry, but there are several mistakes here.

Machine embroidery thread is typically 40 weight and the sewing thread 50 weight, so that is not enough to cause a total disaster.

Bobbin thread is a lighter weight; 60 or 90 depending on what your machine was designed for. This will be in the manual as well as the size bobbin spools you should use.

Machine embroidery bobbin thread comes in white or black and I also, have never seen clear bobbin thread for machine embroidery.

The fabric you choose may be too thin for a dense design.

You should be using cut away stabilizer.

Try the stitching the design again, on the same shirt as it is now determined to be a disaster. Use the correct thread, a new needle (12 or 14) and hoop just the fabric. Place the hoop onto the machine and then slip a sheet of the stabilizer underneath.

If the design turns out to be bulletproof (so dense a bullet could not penetrate it) use the options on the machine to enlarge the design just a small amount; too much and there will be thin spots in the design.

Embroidery Library has many free tutorials and tips that are helpful for those new to this craft as well as those who have been doing this for a few years and need a refresher.

Soon you will have many sucessful projects to show off.

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Date: 2/27/14 3:55 PM

One way to work on solving a problem like this is to isolate different elements (or variables) of the problem. To clarify, the variables are items that, when changed, will affect the outcome. so your variables here are

thread (top)
thread (bobbin)
fabric
stabilizer
the design
machine settings (possibly)

My suggestion is to keep all the variables the same except one; change only the one element until you get a better result. In your case, I think I'd start with a different fabric, since the one you describe sounds like it might be hard to work with. Use a crisp, non-stretchy woven, don't bother with thread changes (i.e., do the whole thing in the same color), stitch it out and see if the results improve. If they do, it probably was the original fabric. If they don't test other variables. It might be more than one thing.

Do use bobbin thread, tho, small investment but will probably help a lot....


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