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Date: 2/20/14 8:53 AM

This topic came up in the Fabric Fast thread because the Sewaholics pattern sale was mentioned.* PR folk seem to love the Sewaholics Renfrew Top. It looks--at least in its most common, cowl, incarnation--a lot like the also beloved KS 3740.

So....if I have KS 3740, and it works for me, do I need the Renfrew as well? Perhaps for the V-neck?

*You're thinking "Enabling!!" but consider: a really reliable pattern can eat up a lot of stash. It's not as though people ever mention fabric sales in the Fabric Fast thread.....oh wait.....

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Date: 2/20/14 10:19 AM

So, I've never sewn KS 3740, but if it's a great fitting top for you, I don't see any reason to buy Renfrew, since it's so similar.

I feel like the Renfrew was way over hyped. So much so that I was expecting that I'd whip up a top with awesome fit right out of the envelope, and it just didn't happen. The armscye was very high, and thus tight (and I don't feel like I have huge armpits/armsyce in proportion to the rest of me) and the fit overall was serviceable otherwise, but not spectacular. Take this with a grain of salt and the knowledge that I'm working with a 32F bust (and am not the body type she's designing for).

This advice goes against my typical attitude of supporting indy designers, but it's definitely pattern-specific and not designer-specific; this is the only Sewaholic Pattern I own that I feel this way about. Of the other Sewaholics I own, I love the Cambie, see merit in the Thurlow (still trying to make it work), and can't wait to sew up Minoru and Robson.

ETA: My expectations may have been a bit high to expect something awesome out-of-the-envelope, but that DID happen for me with Deer and Doe's Plantain. A bit different of a shape, but definitely worth checking out if you haven't already. (plus, it's FREE!)
-- Edited on 2/20/14 10:31 AM --

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Date: 2/20/14 11:37 AM

Thanks for taking my hint, hint, hint and starting this thread. I actually have both patterns and should lay one on top of the other to compare. Personal life is full-out busy. Not sure when, but will try to get to it.

J. Renee- thanks for your Renfrew fit comments, helpful. Wow, you've sewn up a ton of stash this year. Great goin'. You're an inspiration. I've gotten stuck on a slow tricky project, but making progress after problem solving. A straightforward knit top- like the Renfrew or Kwik Sew cowl would be good next.

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Date: 2/20/14 11:57 AM

I've been able to destash so much because I've primarily been doing lots of quick projects. PJ pants, knit tops, knit dresses. I've only sewn one thing this calendar year that required a moderate amount of fitting.

I imagine I'll slow down in the next month or two, since I have some more complicated projects coming up, including an adorable, but fairly involved, flower girl dress (V7819)

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Date: 2/20/14 8:27 PM

I've used the KS pattern but not the Renfrew. Note that my impressions of the Renfrew cowl are based on seeing pictures of the cowl piece when she did a sew along.

The biggest difference is that the KS cowl is a shaped pattern piece that sits very nicely on the neck, especially the back of the neck. The Renfrew is basically a rectangle that gets sewn to the neck edge. I took that idea and used it on my TNT knit top. The fabric bunched up horribly at the back of my neck because it didn't have the shaping like the KS does. No matter how I tried to arrange the fabric it would not lay nice!

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Date: 2/20/14 9:50 PM

Thanks all! I guess there's no need for me to rush out for the Renfrew. I will try some other Sewaholic pattern (being pear-ish, I like the general idea).

Simplystitches, I do like the shaping and drape of the Kwik Sew top--as extolled by LynnRowe a few years back. I think I've made it 4 times.

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Date: 2/20/14 11:17 PM

Thanks for pointing this out.

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The biggest difference is that the KS cowl is a shaped pattern piece that sits very nicely on the neck, especially the back of the neck. The Renfrew is basically a rectangle that gets sewn to the neck edge. I took that idea and used it on my TNT knit top. The fabric bunched up horribly at the back of my neck because it didn't have the shaping like the KS does. No matter how I tried to arrange the fabric it would not lay nice!
That is really good info to know.

So, if the Renfrew body is the better fit, then the Kwik Sew cowl, with it's well-matched neckline, could be frankenpatterned onto the Sewaholic. Take the best of each and swap around to get to that.

Kwik Sew could do themselves a big favor and make their pattern artwork more current looking. Actually, that would be a big favor to their customers! One really has to look at reviews and not the pattern envelope to get a good sense of the style.

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Date: 2/20/14 11:49 PM

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So, if the Renfrew body is the better fit, then the Kwik Sew cowl, with it's well-matched neckline, could be frankenpatterned onto the Sewaholic.


That's exactly what I did. My knit TNT with the KS neckline and cowl.

I've made it few times and only had one that ended up being a wadder. It was a really stretchy rayon knit and the cowl just sagged. Personally I've found it works best in a more stable knit.

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Date: 2/21/14 7:21 AM

Agree. The KS cowl is beautifully shaped. I have grafted it onto my TNT top and love the result.

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