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Date: 4/20/14 3:42 PM

I have a 4 thread serger. Now, I am considering getting a coverstitch machine. But, I found that most coverstitch machines are 4 threads and don't have safety stitch. So, I thought I need 5 threads serger for coverstitch and safety stitch. But, I don't see any 5 thread serger with bias binding attachment options(For example, brother CS has binding set). Can I bind using 5 thread serger without any optional attachment?

I want to have coverstitch, safety stitch and binding function.
What machine is good for those functions?
Thank you!
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Date: 4/20/14 4:23 PM

I have a 4 thread serger and a coverstitch. By and large, the CS is not used in a way that would need a safety stitch, at least in my little sewing world.

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Date: 4/20/14 4:32 PM

I originally bought a 5-thread serger so I'd have everything in one machine. About a year later, I bought a stand alone CS so that I didn't have to switch back and forth between 4-thread and CS as I was constructing my garments. Since the majority of what I sew is knits, this works best for me.

I haven't invested in the binders for my CS machine so I can't help you there.
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Date: 4/20/14 5:08 PM

I vote with Judy; I have a 5-thread coverstitch combined with serger, and I hate it. Reliability issues. A dealer and tech I talked to said that if a person has the space available, it's much better to get a lower-end serger and a coverstitch-only machine because they thought there was an inherent design flaw in the machines you have to convert from one to the other.

Mine won't keep its tension setting when serging to save it from being thrown out my window. At the moment, I have it set up as a coverstitch machine and use the El Cheapo sergers for overlock and rolled hem.

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Date: 4/20/14 8:31 PM

Since I have no idea what a safety stitch is, I'll just give you my opinion about the machines. I have a serger and a coverstitch. I prefer to have the two machines. If the serger needs a service or breaks down, I still have a coverstitch (plus a back up serger). If the combo has a problem, you're left with nothing.

Also, you will always need to buy additional bits for binding. The machine won't do that by itself.
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Date: 4/20/14 11:54 PM

To answer the question, a 1-pass safety stitch combines a chain stitched seam instead of a straight stitch and the edge has a serge finish. It's often used in the industry and makes a super strong seam like on jeans. If you're willing to do a little extra work, you can imitate that look with 2 passes instead of just 1. Make the basic seam join with the chain stitch from the coverstitch machine. Then finish the edge with your serger to replicate a true safety stitch seam.

Binders are extra attachments that come in different configurations to do different tasks. To learn more about coverstitching, check out Debbie Cook's Stitches and Seams blog. She's a PR member and you'll learn a ton from her info.

Your question about 1, machine, 2 or even more is a perennial question. How much space, money and time do you have? What's your patience level and what do you sew?

I bought an Evolution to replace by 20-year old Elna that drove me nuts until I got it perfectly adjusted. It was capable of gorgeous stitches, but was exasperating to rethread. I avoided using it. I got a very low price on the Evolution and it has been trouble free for 2 1/2 years. I sit down to stitch anything from chiffon to bulky sweater knit to denim and it just handles it- no tension adjustment. I deal with the coverstitch switching because I have no place for another machine and I put money into a modern machine after using a mechanical Bernina since 1974.

I feel fortunate to have what I do and adore sewing with my new equipment. If I had unlimited funds, a bigger house and were retired with more time for sewing, maybe I'd choose differently. Honestly, I don't know if I'd go for a stand alone serger with a narrower foot than the Evolution.

Good luck on figuring out what's best for you.

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Date: 4/21/14 0:28 AM

I also have the Evolution that I just love. It is flawless - I don't have issues going around corners and don't understand what all the fuss is about a narrow foot???
Oh, I do have the BL Coverstitch as well. It is a like new (used) machine and I just sort of fell into it. I must say having both machines set up is much easier than switching back and forth.
Can someone explain what the deal is with the narrow foot???

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Date: 4/21/14 1:37 AM

I love my Elna 945 which they no longer make, but Elna has newer sergers that coverstitch, serge with up to 5 threads, and has a bias binding attachment available. My DH bought mine used off EBay several years ago and I have not had any problems with it. I have not purchased the bias binding attachment for mine, so I can't comment on its ease of use or problems with it, but the coverstitch and 2,3,4,and 5 thread serging has been great.

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Date: 4/21/14 2:00 AM

About the narrow foot- here's what I understand. The sergers with coverstitch have more needle positions and wider feet to accommodate the various possibilities and combination stitches. The feed dogs cover a wider distance too. The wider foot covers more of the fabric and makes it somewhat more clunky to manipulate the material as you do small curves.

There is now a narrow curve foot for the Evolution and the Ovation. I have one, like it and find it useful- still experimenting. With this foot being narrower, it does not cover the feed dogs entirely and I was told it is ineffective with Differential Feed.

The new Ovation has a knee lift and that may help take a little pressure off so the fabric can be slightly readjusted to work around a tight curve. Also the presser foot lever is in the front to help lift the foot a bit to reposition the work and then proceed. Easier than with the lift behind the machine where you can't see it. These seem like useful improvements for a machine with a wide foot.

I don't make clothes for small children or dolls. However, there are rare times, like going around a pocket bag, that my machine feels a little awkward. Not very often, or enough to make me unhappy. With practice my skills are improving and I'm determined to keep at it since I'm delighted with my Evolution. What a difference after a long time with a headache of a serger.

BTW, this discussion of narrow and wide feet has it's equivalent with sewing machines. Some folks work best with a smaller mm machine and others, like me are happy with much wider. Actually, I like them all!

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Date: 4/21/14 8:21 AM

I like having my Evolution and Enlighten. I have the binder foot. I also had a binder foot for my Bernina. I can't see any advantage to them. The fabric needs yo be correct weight, starched, pressed, angled and fed. I found it simpler to make binding without it.
I just fold fabric and use my CS on the Evolution. I use my Enlighten for tiny curves on baby and toddler clothes. My Evolution does fine with gentle curves. I like having both sizes of feed dogs and feet. I find this combination is much more practical my purpose and so much more useful than a CS machine.
If you can afford the price tag, this is another solution.

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