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How long before a embroidery sewing combo machine is out of date
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Date: 6/24/14 1:34 AM

So I am planning on buying a new machine and have waffled back and forth. I am looking at the Bernina 560/580 (maybe I think it's a better fit than the 750... I am still deciding). But I am worried that I won't use the embroidery piece right away but if I wait a couple of years the machine will be so out of date that I won't be able to add the embroidery... Which in that case I should just get the 530....I am mainly a garment sewer not a quilter which is why the 5 series is best for me in that I don't need the extra harp space. And I don't embroider now but I might if I had an embroidery machine... Also about how much longer will the 5s still be around?... I am in no rush because my 230 really does everything... And I want the right machine...and it's a ton of money so I don't want regret and wishing I would have gotten a better machine.

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Date: 6/24/14 8:18 AM

If I were you I'd take a look at the Bernina 560. You would have the option to add embroidery later. It's a better screen and navigation than the 530, but it is 9mm if that makes a difference.
The 530 has the stellar lighting and the 560 has that and the new screen. I can't see that sort of thing going obsolete any time soon. And don't worry about USB technology. That's going to be around for a while. I think it will be several years down the road before transferring designs to a machine via wireless will take over and USB be considered outdated!

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Date: 6/24/14 8:44 AM

I've got a 580 and I love it! My first computerized machine was a Bernina 165E and it lives on at my vacation house. It's 10 years old but definitely not obsolite. Yes it does use a serial port but a USB converter works just fine. When I got it I was looking at a 155 but it was pointed out there wasn't much of a difference between the cost of the two. I'm quite happy to have embroidery capabilities as I find it useful for everything from towels to baseball caps.
The 560 is a nice machine but the 580 has the long basting stitch, the fact you can adjust the cutting with of a buttonhole and I'm sure a few more differences. I don't know if it has the creative consultant but that's a really nice feature.
I wouldn't worry about how much longer - I also have a 630E and it's far from obsolute.
I work in the technical field and I can tell you USB technology isn't going anywhere for a long, long time.
This brochure has a chart that gives you a comparison of the 5 series:
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Date: 6/24/14 4:14 PM

The sewing (garment/quilt/household) functions will never really become obsolete. I have the Aurora 450, a discontinued model, and still am in love with all it's sewing functions. I also have the embroidery module for this machine which has been used almost not at all. The software needs to be updated for that, but is still fully functional with the old just limited by being editor lite!
Maybe getting a stand alone embroidery machine should be looked into? Seperate your machine needs?

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Date: 6/24/14 4:21 PM

If this brand's embroidery function goes out of date, then you need to look at another brand.

If you are set on Bernina, get the sewing machine you like best and a stand alone Brother or Babylock embroidery machine.

I have owned all three brands and BL has remained my favorite.

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Date: 6/24/14 4:59 PM

Here's another way to look at it. I bought a Pfaff Creative Performance. It has useful machine embroidery editing built in, but not every possible bell and whistle. I looked at the sewing machine screen and knew I would prefer to edit on a much larger computer screen that. So I went with an affordable-to-me software solution- Embrilliance. The parts can be bought as needed and I've gotten updates for free. Great customer service.

I really bought the sewing machine to sew and that it does beautifully. This is a fantastic machine that I'm thrilled with and the embroidery is an experiment. Since I get software updates, I'm not dependent on the machine's embroidery functions to be absolutely current.

This route made financial sense for me. I bought Embrilliance Essentials editing software and other components- their Thumbnailer to view designs, Alpha Tricks for lettering and Density Repair Kit. My total is $400 for software on top of my PCP at $4,300 (with the large embroidery module). To get the equivalent of these features on a TOL sewing machine put me at thousands of dollars more, starting at about $7,000. Big difference. So far I'm very happy with my choices. HTH.

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Date: 6/24/14 7:14 PM

My dear friend is still embroidering on my onetime 180E. It may not be quite as up to date as the newer Bernina's, but she can still load designs on it and interface with the the Bernina software, though the pcmcia embroidery cards are no longer marketed.

I think she has embroidered on that machine more than I ever did.

My point is this, you will most likely be able to find the correct module for your machine in the future. Even if it is used.

If the 560 or 580 suits you, I think either would be a good choice.
I prefer the 580 very slightly over the 560.



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Date: 6/24/14 9:08 PM

How much extra is the embroidery option? For around $650.00 you can buy a stand alone embroidery machine. I started with a similar one, now I have 6 needle one. I like to sew when I embroider.....so I need 2 machines.

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Date: 6/24/14 10:14 PM

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The 560 is a nice machine but the 580 has the long basting stitch, the fact you can adjust the cutting with of a buttonhole and I'm sure a few more differences.

I saw a demo of the 560 at a local dealer last weekend. The sales rep specifically demoed the 560's ability to adjust the cutting width of a buttonhole. The sales brochure says both machines offer the same number - 11 - of buttonhole stitches.

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Date: 6/25/14 10:48 AM

Huh, didn't know that. I have never realized I was missing the adjustable bh width, but I would notice if I didn't have that beloved long basting stitch!

As for machine life.... presuming the machine works no matter the age of the technology... its life is as long as your imagination and creativity is alive!

While yes, with some older software you may need an older computer on hand, or may need to be sure to retain some older software i.e. for transferring designs, I used a Brother for embroidery that used floppies long after computers no longer had floppy drives so I just got an external floppy drive.

My Pfaff 7570 still sews like new, it was purchased in '96 and is my daughter's now. She forgot it even had embroidery! I have thought of selling the embroidery unit but it just goes too cheap. I no longer have the original software so we're limited to cards unless I find it "out there" again somewhere but really, she'll probably never use it or employ me to do so if we need something, I was able to do a lot of embellishment with just those, dependent on my imagination, so it all depends on your imagination, creativity, resourcefulness!

I'm often asked about how long these computerized machines will really last, or how long before a computer issue. Well this one's going on 20 years problem free and at dealer I work at we regularly take in machines even older for just a regular tune up/service that have never had a computer issue. Funny how people don't seem to question this with all the computerization in cars, even if they don't have a TOL with nav systems, etc., much is run by computers. Unless you see pervasive reporting of some particular issue I wouldn't hesitate to buy a new high end machine.

I do recall a customer one time who was irate as 3 months after her new TOL was purchased a new one was introduced. She designated hers as obsolete. Of course it could be traded/upgraded with no loss, but when I asked if she'd exhausted everything she could do with her new machine the answer was of course not. So it was very much new and fresh! I haven't used everything that '96 model, my first computerized top end machine could do and it's still going strong waiting for all those things to be used/explored!

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