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Singer Machine Won't Thread Bobbin - Please Help :(
henryfrank33
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Date: 7/20/14 6:08 PM

Hello all,

I am completely new to sewing and got a used Singer Model 648 Special Zig Zag without realizing they are quite finicky. I am trying to thread the bobbin (get it to sew) and can't figure out what I am doing wrong. I can't find any help online and am getting so frustrated :(. Somebody please help me figure this out. The person I bought it from said it needs a bit of tension work, but I can't figure out how to even do that.

Here is a video of me trying to thread the bobbin and start sewing: https://vimeo.com/101245734

Here is the manual for the model: http://www.singerco.com/uploads/download/a6172931362178d23f294bac5f8cd24f48798c80.pdf

Thank you all so much!

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Date: 7/20/14 7:36 PM

Tension work may or may not need to be done by a SM tech.

Here is how to thread the machine as well as bobbin winding.

Be sure the presser foot is up for threading and down when adjusting the tension.


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Date: 7/20/14 7:56 PM

!. Make sure you are using the right type of bobbin for this machine. T&S bobbins are NOT standard. Here is a link with detailed info about threading (upper and lower) that machine.
http://www.sewusa.com/Threading_Diagrams/Threading_Pages/Singer_Sewing_Machine_Threading/singer_648_threading_diagram.htm
You have a great classic T&S machine!
You can find and download free manual at Singer's main site.

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Date: 7/20/14 9:01 PM

Me Trying To Follow Bobbin-Loading Instructions

Thank you for the replies. Can one of you look at this link I posted? I don't understand what I missed in the instructions. :(

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Date: 7/20/14 10:14 PM

video
manual
It looks like its not picking up the thread. I think it needs a basic tune up. It could be out of time. Take it in and have it looked at.
Have fun with it when its fixed. They are nice machines.
they were considered top of the line machines.
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Date: 7/20/14 10:32 PM

I looked at it again with the cover off and it seems that the rotating wheel from the video that is supposed to grab the needle's thread isn't doing that. The needle appears to be too far from it (maybe). Is there a way to verify this and adjust that?

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Date: 7/20/14 10:33 PM

I think you need to hold onto the needle thread for it to pick up the bobbin thread. If that doesn't help, then I'm out of ideas.

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Date: 7/21/14 8:39 AM

This machine is similar to my Touch and Sew 778. Hold onto end of machine thread so you can pull up bobbin thread through opening. Place bobbin thread to right of bobbin, close hatch, rotate wheel so needle goes in as you have done, still holding onto machine thread end, bobbin thread gets picked up and brought through feed dogs, grab bobbin thread and lengthen it by pulling it and the machine thread to a good length to keep one from leaving needle and the other , back inside with bobbin. The action is quite a bit faster than my explanationhope this helped

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Date: 7/21/14 8:51 AM

A whole bunch of things actually.

If you are trying to use an already existing wound bobbin, you do have to put the thread through the tensioning areas in the bobbin case, before even holding the top thread in your hand, and trying to pull up the bottom thread at the same time.

But when you are even turning the fly wheel by hand,and trying to do it wrong, I see nothing moving in the bobbin area, and I don't like that.

But, since half the machines like that, have already had the lower hook gears crumble, and don't even have intact ones anymore, unless they have been replaced, I think you would be better off just starting from scratch, and using an empty bobbin to start out with, and just following the book, and just winding it in the machine, exactly per instruction in the book.

The actual bobbin looks like right kind to me. But take thread off it, and follow the book, on how to wind it in the machine.

So, empty bobbin goes in machine. You need to push that white lever with the red bulls eye mark on it, all the way to the right. The top thread through the needle eye gets wound around the screw that holds the pressure foot on. Then you only slide the bobbin case door half way closed. Then you step on the foot pedal of machine, and hopefully if you have an intact gear set under the bobbin area, and if you have an intact little white plastic bobbin winding cam piece under the bulls eye marked lever still, it will all kick in and start to wind the bobbin. And with the thread, coming down from your needle eye. After that has happened, pull on the thread coming out of needle eye, backwards, hold both pieces in one hand, stick some fabric in, and try to sew.

If you are unable to wind a empty bobbin like that instead, and nothing is moving, and no bobbin winding going on, when you try like that with your foot actually on the foot pedal,using the machine electrical, like in your book, then it's time for you to probably, look under the machine, and make sure your gears under there are really still whole and intact.

Not the most easy sewing machine to try to wind a bobbin on, the very first time, if you have never sewn on any machine, ever anyplace before. You might want to get someone to do it with you, the first time.

p.s. With no bobbin in the machine at all, and with running the machine with foot pedal, or just hand on the fly wheel, you should see things turning in the bobbin case area. That uses your intact hook gears under there. With the bulls eye lever move over to the right for bobbin winding instead, and running the machine, it does make a little piece pop up, and fit into the bottom of that bobbin so it can even turn and wind. If none of that going on, even with no bobbin in it at all, then you got a problem. If so, you need to check for intact gears there or not. Good Luck!


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Date: 7/21/14 12:05 PM

You might also check to be sure the needle has been correctly installed. If the long groove on the front of the needle is not facing the correct direction, the thread will not feed properly to catch the bobbin thread when sewing and probably will not wind the bobbin as well.

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