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Janome vs Pfaff vs Husqvarna Viking sergers
1110DX 1200D vs 4852 4862 vs 905 910 936
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Date: 8/23/08 4:50 PM

I have a coverpro 1000 and a pfaff 2046 sewing machine. I like to get a serger to complete my sewing needs. I'm new to sewing and learning quickly and wonder if I should get rid of my coverpro and buy a nice serger to use with my 2046.

I have gotten a great quote on both the 1110DX and 1200D. But I like the fact that the Pfaff and 1200D have a lot of feet options. I like to do a nice twin double chain stitch in a flat felled seam or french seam or lap seam as I see they are called. I'm sure there are slight differences in those seams.

Important to me is stitch quality and having serger feet accessories as I like to be efficient in my sewing/serge. I also want to have a large harp area, so the 1110DX is the biggest drawback for me.

If any of the forum members own one or multiple of these models, I would love to hear your feedback and drawbacks on these different sergers. I've read a lot of the reviews, but it helps when one has purchased several models and know the differences between the models...but any feedback is appreciated. Thanks!!!

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Date: 8/23/08 5:19 PM

The 1110DX does not do a cover hem stitch it only does overlock and flatlock and rolled hem stitches. If you get this model you might wish to keep your CP1000 for cover hem.
The 1200D does both a regular cover hem plus top coverhem and serged stitches.
You might wish to try out in person the different models to see which is best for you.
Pfaff Coverlocks are nice heavy duty machines with excellent stitch quality. Some models have auto tension like the 4862 which is a 4 thread coverlock and the TOL Pfaff which is a 10 thread is computerized and offers the ability to do many deco stitches and top cover hems. The Pfaff Coverlocks do offer more space to the right of the needle than some sergers do as do Elna's.
Elna coverlocks used to be made in the same factory in Japan as the Pfaff coverlocks and the two brands can share the same feet but not all of the same attachments and guides. Janome now heads Elna and the new Elna models are much like Janomes including the Janome 1200D. I understand that now some of the newer Elna's might take different feet than some of the past models but I think that is only the Elna that is like the Janome 1200D. All of the Elna coverlock models have tilt needles for easy change except for the model 845 that does top cover hem that is like the Janome 1200.

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Date: 8/24/08 6:23 AM

Thanks Betakin, I also read up on everything you mentioned already. I appreciate your inputs. What I'm looking for is someone who's had one or the models or several of the models I listed such as they had an 1110DX and got a Pfaff 4862 or 52 and liked the stitch quality so much more from model to the next.

I'm looking for the real life experiences on these particular models and what they liked and disliked about the models. I've read all the reviews for all of these models and the specs. But that kind of information only goes so far.

The 1110DX or the 1200D I would buy new as I would get great price on them, but the others...I will probably buy used because it's more than what I want to pay for new. So the extra information would help my selection in picking the right model for me. I don't want to go to Pfaff or Viking dealers as I will buy those used....it's not fair to use a dealer's time if I'm going to buy used.

I can give an example of what I'm looking for with sewing machines. I had the brother XR7700 and didn't like it for the fact that it didn't sew as well for me and the fabric would move a lot. With my Pfaff 2046 I don't have that problem. If I can get this kind of feedback for the sergers...I'm sure it will help with my decisions.

So what I am looking for of all these models, is 1) stitch quality 2) feet accessories 3) large Harp area (work area to the right of the needle 4) Any problems or features that the owners of these models enjoy.

Thanks again!!!

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Date: 8/24/08 8:47 PM

I hope you have the chance to try out some of the models for yourself to see the differences in the sergers but I understand how you feel about wasting the dealers time.

I used to sell machines and sergers years ago and have owned several different brands and have liked them all even with their differences. I've owned Babylock, Pfaff and Elna and a low end Janome New Home workhorse. I had a Pfaff 4842 non coverlock but much like the 4852 that is a coverlock and I think their stitch quality is the same. I think Pfaff and Elna gives some of the best stitch quality using many deco threads over other brands that don't handle different threads well.
I now have an Elna coverlock 744 that has auto tension, wide harp and much like the Pfaff 4862 except my 744 also does the triple seam coverhem besides the 2 double seam. Being only a 4 thread it converts easier to coverhem than some of the 5 thread models. I found much easier than the Pfaff 4852.
I think the stitch quality is much the same between the Pfaff and Elna's being made in the same factory in Japan and both brands can use the same feet.
Janome heads Elna now and there are some newer models and the new Elna is basically the same as the Janome 1200.
I hope you get the feed back needed from people that have the different sergers you are interested in. Glad you like your Pfaff sewing machine. I love my Pfaff too..IDT is wonderful huh.

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Date: 8/25/08 3:48 AM

I can get the 1200D at super great price....but I've read about the problems with the top coverstitch...and I dont' want to pay that much money to deal with problems. The dealer also have a used 744, but I don't know the price. I read it's a nice machine, but really like to have a large harp area...too bad pfaff doesn't have it...that's why I asked if the feet from Husqvarna, Janome, and Pfaff are interchangeable. I wish they make more feet for my coverpro...trying to decide to sell it or use the different feet to do my projects.

I love the IDT...it's great and makes sewing easier...I heard other brands will be making IDT as well...the patent ended....so expect some really nice machines in the future.

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Date: 8/25/08 4:32 AM

I thought that the Pfaff Coverlocks has a pretty good size harp area. It is much larger than on their regular sergers.
My Elna 744 has really a larger area than I need plus it is a very large and heavy serger. I bought it new several years ago for $799 from a local dealer that sold several different brands of machines. It is now discontinued and Elna has no more 4 thread cover hem models they are all 5 thread. The 945 is their computerized model.
Something that I like about my 744 is that it has different needle postions than the Pfaff coverlocks. There are 5 needle postions on my 744. The needle bar tilts for easy needle changes. The two needle postions in the back are for all the different overlock stitches and the 3 postions in front are for the 3 different cover hem stitches and chain stitch.
As for Husqvarna serger feet, I think the Viking sergers are manufactured by Jaguar or Toyota and maybe their feet can be swapped with White sergers that I think have the same manufacturer.
I too learned of problems with the top cover hems on the new sergers from posts I have seen. I don't think I have ever heard of any problems with the Pfaff TOL 4874 though and it does several top coverhems. That serger really does it all but being computerized and having 10 threads one would expect it to do it all..

As for the sewing machines with dual feed, yes there are other companies besides Pfaff that have had IDT for a few years now. Janome has the 6600 and Babylock has the Quest and Elna has one and the new Bernina..and probably more.

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Date: 8/26/08 6:22 AM

How much do you love the elna 744? The local dealer has one used....but wasn't sure about the coverhem only able to use 5mm coverstitch. I see viking 936 for about 500 to 600... was looking that too. Too many choices...I do like about the viking is that it will allow for free arm serging.

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Date: 8/26/08 8:26 AM

Apparently the Viking 936 only uses size 14 needles and this is kind of large for light weight knits.
I'd keep my coverstitch and add a serger without the coverstitch. Much cheaper.
But, really you need to go try every machine out and take your time at it. You need to be happy.
I am not sure why you would need a large harp to the right of the needle. Mostly you are only working on the edge.

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Date: 8/26/08 8:37 PM

I do love my 744 as the most heavy duty serger that I have owned and it does the most. Besides the 17 stitches in it's program it does chain stitch, 3 cover hems..narrow double thread cover, wide double seam and triple seam cover hem. It uses EL x 705 needles 80/12 and 90/14 but can use conventional 130/705H needles for special threads and fabrics. If you check the Elna reviews here on PR, my review is one of the 2 on the 744 that is way down at the bottom of the page for some reason and not up with the others. I think my review is #79 on that page.
One of the things that I like the most is that my serger is only a 4 thread and converts easily for coverhem where other sergers take many steps. I just dial the stitch that I want and the tensions are set automatically but can still be adjusted if needed and for coverhem and chain stitch, I don't have to change the plate or the foot or fuss with tension. I just flip a switch on the needle bar and add a little plastic sew table to the looper cover door, thread the chain looper and the needle bar flips upward to expose the needles for easy changing. There are lined guides on the serger for knowing where the coverhem and seams will be. It also has an auto mechanism that inserts the serged thread chains into the seam. I do go on and on about it once I get started so I had better quit and maybe you can read my review.
I do think people like their Viking sergers but I think the free arm on it is quite large as on most coverlock machines. I have another basic serger that is not a coverlock that has a free arm that I use often for making baby items because the free arm is smaller. The Viking 936 coverlock is also known to take many steps to convert to free arm but I think many owners still like it for serging but usually purchase a coverhem only machine so they don't have to convert it over.

A coverlock with a large harp space to the right of needles is nice if doing a lot of deco work with coverhem and chain stitches when sewing in the center of the fabric. The Viking, Pfaff, Elna and Janome coverlocks do have a good size harp.

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Date: 8/26/08 8:45 PM

Quote: Nancy K
Apparently the Viking 936 only uses size 14 needles

That's only on the coverstitch. Wasn't sure if you knew this or not, so I thought I'd throw it out there. As most everyone knows, I never use my 936 for coverstitching ...

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