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Leaving out the zipper?
Would it be possible to convert this dress to a pull on style
CaraSkates
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Date: 10/19/06 12:21 PM

Butterick 3321 Dress
I'm intending to make this dress (View D, long, no contrast) for my little sis for Christmas. I bought some gorgeous black stretch velvet with red and pink roses on it. Didn't realize till yesterday the pattern calls for a zipper. I'm not sure but it seems like it would be hard to put a zipper in this fabric. It's 4way stretch velvet. I make pull on skating dresses all the time but have never done a zipper in this fabric. I've done a couple invisible zips and some 2way seperating in fleece...and a "normal" zipper in a fleece costume...Would it be hard to put a zipper in this? Could I just deepen the back to a pull on and finish it with elastic or binding? Fold over elastic? I want this dress to look VERY nice. What would be the easiest way and what would look the best? I'm not above trying new things but zippers do scare me a little. I thought about putting in a keyhole like this dress has but little sis said she hates keyholes....Help please!

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Date: 10/19/06 12:28 PM

Well, I would take the pattern pieces and measure how wide the narrowest part of the waist is and see if it's wide enough to get past the shoulders/chest when putting in on over her head.

Does that help any???

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Date: 10/19/06 12:40 PM

Well I went and read all the reviews of B3316 (similar style, slightly more little girlish) and I think I'll make the neckline a little deeper and use black FOE (never used it but I've been dying to try it. Any tips on best place to buy?) on the neck. I'm making myself a matching skirt/black velvet top using KS 3450. I'll post photos/review when I'm done.

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Date: 10/19/06 12:48 PM

I just finished putting a zipper in this butterick dress. I used a 4 way stretch lycra and hummed and hawed over putting a zipper in - I ended up using an invisible zipper and worked well. I put 1 inch strips of fusible knit interfacing on either side of the back opening. I hand basted the zipper in first - make sure you pay special attention to any seams that need to be matched although I think you are okay there. The interfacing and hand basting should alleviate any stretching out of shape. Personally I never use an invisible zipper foot - look at this website
Fred Bloubam for hints.
Do try the other idea first as it IS easier.

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Date: 10/19/06 3:12 PM

There is an eBay seller that has a wodnerful selection of FOE, I think she also has a co-op as well. Her store name is kathy's Lace and Elastic Outlet. Ih ave bought some from her and she has a wonderful selection and service is great (NAYY).

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Date: 10/20/06 3:01 PM

With a good stretch velvet I don't think a zipper would be necessary in this dress. Since you make skating dresses you know all the tricks like making sure the head goes through the neckline and that the waist seam is a stretch one. Remember this goes over the head only not over the hips like skating costumes and leotards tend to so you don't need that much neck opening. I would check to see if the back bodice seam and the back skirt seam are on the straight grain and if they are I would eliminate the back seam and put that edge on a fold like the front pattern pieces are. One more thing, I would be careful to not cut the armhole too big at first, so many patterns have huge armholes and on the stretch velvet you will need less than on a woven.

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Date: 10/21/06 0:34 AM

A quick way to check whether it would go on with no zip would be to measure the finished size of the waist, pin a section of the fabric into a tube with the same circumference, and see if she can (carefully!) get it over her head. If she can, no problem with leaving out the zip. Good luck!

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Date: 10/21/06 11:13 AM

I have made adult dresses like this and left out zippers with no problem. You need to make sure that the waistline seam and the neckline finish can stretch. So make sure you use zig-zag or serged stitches in these areas with no non-stretch re-inforcements.

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Date: 10/21/06 11:17 AM

I second what Lorna said about the ebayer >"Kathy's Lace & Elastic" for FOE. Her nic is fr8rain. She is the best!!
I scan pics sometimes of what I want from her & she finds it & replys within the day. After she got to know me she also accepted a personal check.
With my last order she included a bag of samp's that were marked down. It was like Christmas for me.
Geez, I need a life, elastic is startin 2be excitin for me :-)

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Date: 10/21/06 11:36 AM

Quote: drsue
I have made adult dresses like this and left out zippers with no problem. You need to make sure that the waistline seam and the neckline finish can stretch. So make sure you use zig-zag or serged stitches in these areas with no non-stretch re-inforcements.

I'll be serging as much of the dress as I can! I bought some fold over elastic from Kathy on ebay and I can't wait for it to get here! I got some to trim some skating dresses with also... When little sis gets home later I'll measure the neckline and cut a strip of fabric to try what Judy suggested.
Thanks everyone! I think this will also be much easier for her to put on herself and not take forever (this child can take 15 minutes to button a shirt.....) when we're gettign ready to leave!
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