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Date: 3/19/07 11:20 PM

Hi!
I am new to the boards here and I am in the market for a serger. I have searched on here but couldn't find any info specifically for the Juki BL4 736. I can get it from a lady locally for a really good deal but I am wondering if anyone knows anything about it - is it a good machine? This would be my first serger and I can't afford much. Are Juki good in general? Any opinions or advice?
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Date: 3/20/07 0:37 AM

I have a Juki 5 thread serger and I love it....easy to use and a real workhorse. Don't know anything about the model you are considering.

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Date: 3/20/07 7:54 AM

"BL4 736" happens to be a Babylock model number? Both Babylock and Juki are considered to be quality machines.

Since this is likely an older serger, have the lady demonstrate for you that it is in working order (actullay sergers stitches and trims the fabric as it should).

Also, find out what type of needles they use, and check with your local sewing machine dealer to see if they stock those. If not, you'll just have to order them.

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Date: 3/20/07 11:16 AM

I like anything Juki. I think they're quality, not frilly, and built to last. I don't know this serger specifically, though. Good luck.

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Date: 3/20/07 4:58 PM

Juki is industrial but introduced what they called the "baby" lock to home sewing in Japan in 1967. Tacony marketed the baby lock through it's industrial division and later gained exclusive distribution rights in the USA. Then Tacony introduced the concept of serger sewing to the American Home Economics Assoc. convention. Tacony was first to offer dealer training and seminars on operation, sales and repair of sergers and then trained home economists to educate both dealers and consumers on serger sewing technique. Tacony still distruibutes Babylock today with upgraded models and features. This history is from the book called "Know Your Babylock".
I used to sell these models. I believe this model to be a good one and similar to my older Babylock but my old BL had differential feed. I think the 4736 takes DCX1F needles. I think it does a 4 thread overedge, mine did a 4 thread mock safety stitch. The 4736 sews at 1500 spm, also can do a 3 and 2 thread stitches but you might need to change the needle plate to do the rolled hem. It should come with a spreader to use as a converter for 2 thread serging. It should have a self threading lower looper and I find the BL self threading lower looper to be the easiest of all. Tension dials are number single revolution and the knife disengages. If your model is a BL 4736 and not a BL 4736D then it has no differntial feed. Only the model with the D has the DF. These older models from Japan are considered top quality sergers and many dealers state the ones of today are not built the same. I do think that newer sergers have some some features to make adjusting and needle insertion easier. On the older Babylocks the push button type of stitch length adjustment was a bit awkward as is changing needles but they are terrific sergers.
As for Juki, they still make their own sergers as well as industiral models and I think that Juki still makes the Bernina serger models. (Sorry, so many edits for typo's)
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Date: 3/21/07 1:36 AM

Thanks so much for everyone's feedback regarding Juki and this machine!! I am so glad I asked here! JennyG - you're right it is a babylock - I was confused with the seller's phrasing.
Kylnne2 - thanks for all the great information. You sure remember a lot from when you sold them! It seems like I would probably want differential feed, right? It is used for gathering, right? Maybe I should wait to find one with DF or maybe save my $. Would you know how much this machine or the BL 4736D would run?
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Date: 3/21/07 7:47 AM

The market price for such a serger will be directly related to the overal condition of the machine, completeness, the sellers efforts and willingness to market the serger, and local demand.

That said, I have seen basic, Babylock sergers, fully serviced, with a lesson, for sale at a local delaer for about $300 +/-. You can buy a new, basic babylock or Juki serger for about $400 to $500 or maybe even less on-line.

So, with that info, you should be able to decide if the serger you are looking at is at a price that works for you.

Differntial feed aids in keeping knits from over strectching, and wovens from puckering while serging. Many people have older sergers without DF and feel no need for it.

I recently made some flannel receiving blackets and fnnished them with a rolled hem edge. I rounded the corners with a tea saucer as a template, and when I got to that part with the serger, I bumped up the DF so that the bias cut fabric at the rounded corners wouldn't get wavy.- Easy & effective, but no absolutley necessaryy to have.

You can use it (diff feed) along with needle tension to gather and ease fabric too.

ETA: I just checked completed Ebay acutions, and I found a very complete BL4736 D for $172.
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Date: 3/21/07 5:24 PM

You didn't post the good deal price of this serger. I think if the serger had DF it would only trade in for around $79-$100 but a dealer would sell it after service for around $349-$399. I have no idea what the value of this serger would be without the DF. So many want the DF for puffing, gathering and ruffles that can be done in an instant with differential feed. One can gather in several other ways on a serger by tension gathering and filler cord or serger chain gathers, but DF gathering is so much easier. There are also so many unique fabrics now that require DF and so much more can be done with this feature. There are many new low cost basic sergers on the market today as Jenni pointed out, and some that have good features including DF for as little as $199 from on line dealers that are mostly discontinued models that dealers no longer carry. Most local purchases from a dealer would probably run $300-$400 for a good basic model.
I suggest to purchase a serger with DF unless the price of the 4736 without DF is $100 or less.

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Date: 3/22/07 10:22 AM

Hi JennyG and Kylnne,
I am leaning toward getting the differential feed. The "good deal" would be about $100, but I would like the extra help of sewing more smoothly and also better with knits, since that is why I want a serger. Plus, the gathering would be so nice. I think I may wait and look and price around with a dealer around my birthday instead. I think a lesson might be a nice thing.
Jenny - Thanks for checking out ebay. I will look around there too- the one you found sounds like a great deal.
Would you guys go for a Baby Lock or Juki over the Brother one at Walmart? Maybe a dealer would be nice for the service? I know the class would help, but maybe the price I could save online would be worth not having it. I think I have further looking to do.
Thanks again for all your help!

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Date: 3/22/07 6:09 PM

You might want to check out dealers and do some test driving of different brands and models. Sergers do vary in price and features and even sound and vibration. You could study up by reading as much as possible about the different threads and yarns a serger can use and about the different stitches and capabilities of a serger. Then when you do some test driving you might find a certain model that you are more comfortable using or you might see a model on line that has the features that you know you want and the price you wish to pay. By checking the reviews by owners here on PR might also help in your decision. I hope you find a nice serger you love to use.

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