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Message Board > Sewing Machines > Pfaff Creative Vision ( Moderated by Sharon1952, EleanorSews)

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Date: 10/19/07 2:09 PM

Has anyone bought the new Pfaff machine yet? I was in Les Fabriques in Charlottesville, VA., yesterday and they had one on display. I looked a little bit - afraid if I looked too hard, I'd want to trade - and I haven't learned my new machine yet! It really looks nice!!! Someone tell me that there are some not-so-good things about it so I won't start dreaming!!! Hmmmm - no presser foot lifter - don't know if I could get used to that or not - but all automatic does sound nice!

I'm anxious to hear from others who have just bought one or are contemplating buying one!!!

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Date: 10/19/07 4:41 PM

Your pocketbook is safer if you di not spend much time looking at the machine. I watched a demo given at Les Fabriques a few weeks ago and it seems that Pfaff has included some terrific features on the new machine, and improved some of my gripes with the 2144/2170. Since I rarely use the pressure foot lifter, I hadn't realized that it is no longer an option. I believe the machine does have a setting so that the foot will lift after a tie off.
In any event, I am told that there is a significant backorder and thus it will be weeks (if not months) before they are delivered so it is probably unlikely that anyone other than a dealer will have any experience for a while.

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Date: 10/19/07 7:45 PM

The presser foot lifter is two buttons on the front of the machine-which seems like it would be easier than reaching to the back for a lever.

I think I would wait at least a year before buying one. Let them get any bugs out. It seems like a machine that has all everything, though.

Here's Pfaff's message about the delays:

Pfaff delay message
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Date: 10/20/07 6:19 PM

It's a good thing you did not spend much time looking. I am a die hard Bernina fan but I was impressed by this machine. I am not in the market for a machine so I was safe (or now anyway!) but it is very impressive and a very nice machine. The downside for me was the drop-in bobbin. There was feature that would move the embroidery hoop out of the way, but I think it would be a huge inconvenience when quilting or regular sewing.

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Date: 10/21/07 5:38 AM

JanyceR

I'm curious about why you don't like the drop-in bobbin? I've not had a drop-in bobbin for quite a while and like it really well. I remember a Kenmore machine I had many, many moons ago that had the removable bobbin case and it was under the bed of the machine. While I could get a bobbin tension I liked with it, it always seemed so cumbersome to me.

Glad to hear that there is a shortage of these machines! No, I really shouldn't say that should I? I know if I went to order one, I'd be really disappointed that I couldn't get it right away! I agree about waiting a while in case there are bugs in the first ones coming off the factory line!

Eliza, good for you that you live close enough to Les Fabriques to frequent the store. I usually only get there once a year (when I have a visit to my orthopaedic surgeon there at UVA). He's having me come back in December for an MRI, so I get to look forward to another visit to the store!!!........and I have to start going twice a year from now on - so that means more frequent visits there. DH cringes everytime it's time for an appointment because he knows it's going to include Les Fabriques!!
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Date: 10/21/07 11:05 AM

Ann, I readily admit I have limited experience with a drop in bobbin. But when I have used one, I have found it very inconvenient to have to remove what I am sewing on to replace the bobbin. For me this experience has only been garments, but imagining moving a quilt seems mindboggling to me. I have never found a vertical bobbin cumbersome. But that may be because I learned with that, and have used one for most of my sewing over the last 46 years (what is that they say about change?) Now, that said, I know many many people love drop in bobbins. So maybe I am just not understanding the benefits? I am sure that is a possibility. And also, let me reiterate, I thought the Creative Vision was a very nice machine. I am lucky I am not in the market and that my machine acquistion 'problem' seems to be in remission right now
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Date: 10/22/07 8:16 PM

Hi, I have used Creative Vision now almost two weeks. And it is superb machine but came to market too soon, I mean without no careful examination by the Pfaff itself. F.ex. lets take some stitches (and if you are going to buy this machine, try these stitches before. Because now those are NOT working and need to have updated. If those work, machine is updated and you are in better situation).
- Stitches 4.6.9 and 4.6.10 (hearts) are sewed too dense.
- 4.7.1 (an elephant. You get Creative Vision hang to stitch to the same place without moving the fabric)
- 4.7.5 (Alligator, same happens as with 4.7.1)
- 4.7.9 The stitch (sea horse) has almost the same start and end point => Creative Vision doesn't repeate that stitch, If you get it to repate, all Stitches are overlapping each others
- above stitch when repated on the screen is overlapping and the screen is a mess.
- 4.7.10 (I can complete the first butterfly but the seconds hangs as 4.7.1)
- 4.7.12 All ants are variable dense. All in all Creative Vision has a tendency to sew 9 mm 'filled' stitches with fariable dense. I would wait that after the first stitch (f.ex ant) the next would be the same lenght than the first one but no.
- create two 9mm stitch side by side by the 'move stitch' function. On the screen you can see that stitches are side by side but NOT on the fabric after the sewing
- now and then you get the upper thread going in wrong way and Creative Vision doesn't sew well.
- automatic needle wireing apparatus doesn't work always when needle is in down position and you have to change needle to upper position before using apparatus
- manual thread cutter doesn't work well (it is not so easy to put threads into the cutter)
- embroidery and normal sewing has both own acessories box. You are going to get tired to change it. I rather keep embroidery accessory installed all the time -> Creative vision keep calibrating it allways when you start the machine. I rather see Creative Vision calibrating it IF you choose to use it
- embroidery has own transport box included but why it is an option with the sewing machine itself
- there is a comprehensive free accressories catalog available but it is not included with the machine

- What is alarming is that I'v get so many faultiness inside of the first 'accidentally choosed' stitch family. I haven't tested other special stitches than family 4.7 and stitches 4.6.9 and 4.6.10. If there are same dense with faultiness in other stitch families, there are lots of usless stitches. I'm sure that Pfaff will update Creative Vision so that all above will work but I would have rather seen that this first Creative Vision had been tested on the whole.

So what I ment with the superb:
- (among others) it is very simple and clean lined, big sewing area, relatively good lights, good (but quite small) HD screen, USB support (very soothing), support for fairly good range of different embroidery file extensions by the 4D organizer which can export it to the Vision (if you have 2144 or 2170 VIP file assistant DO NOT uninstall it, 4D organizer can't handle your Pfaff as an outer hard disk but VIP file asisstant can!!) , dropp-in bobbin (better than the old system) now it is much easier to change empty bobbin to full while embroidering, bobbin is about 1.3-1.5 more capable than the old one, stitch speed can be changed in UI, question mark button -> you can have help to all functions and buttons by that, all in all the user interface is very cleverly designed and so it is very easy to use - you dont need or need very rarely paper manual and also it is somehow more silent that 2144/2170.

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Date: 10/22/07 8:49 PM

Also I have to include to my earlier message:
- with this HUGE price tag machine 4D Creative software should be included freely or much much cheaper. The price Pfaff is asking for the 4D software is aggravated collection of fares. And it is even quite difficult to have demo version of it. All in all I feel that it is attempted robbery when manufactures (Pfaff, Corel etc.) have fixed the embroider software price tag so high and it is also even difficult to get trybuy version before buying.

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Date: 10/24/07 8:23 PM

Ann - I have been looking at the Creative Vision also. In Raleigh, we have a store that has one on display, and has filled several orders. There is a yahoo.com users group that has comments from US, Canada and Europe, so you could get a good sense from the current users. Let me know if you're interested, and I'll send you the URL to participate. I do not own a CV, but may consider next year.

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Date: 10/25/07 12:02 PM

AT, I hope you post a sewing machine review soon on the CV. You have given a lot of good information.

I am wondering about your stitch density problems on the decorative stitches. Have you tried adjusting the balance on these stitches? Maybe the machine needs an adjustment. I have found on my 7570 if I do a decorative stitch to always check the information screen to see if the IDT needs to be engaged and to use some type of stabilizer or even starch the fabric for better results in some cases.

I agree about the software. For that price, it should be part of the package and a case should be included for the machine also. Who is going to travel somewhere with just the embroidery unit?


Karen

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