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Date: 2/1/04 3:08 PM

I have what might be a dumb question.............I've seen all the references to euro pants, but I don't know what makes them different from other pants.  Are they suitable for most figure types - I've got that spreadin' (tummy/waist) and droopin' (butt) syndrome that comes with aging, sigh.  I'm on a mission to make well fitting pants and thought about trying LH's euro pant pattern since it has been so favorably reviewed.  
I am new to PR and just love it!  I could spend hours reading the reviews/messages and there seems to a wealth of knowledge and friendship among the members.
Thanks so much for any information on the euros,  pat d

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Date: 2/1/04 4:52 PM

pat d, there are probably numerous references to euro pants here, but they might not all be referring to The European Pants pattern.  (which, BTW, I could not get to work for this middle-aged body).  A lot of us like the fit of European pants patterns more than the customary Simplicity-McCalls-Butterick offerings; some of the European references you've seen might refer to Burda and Neue Mode pattern brands.

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Date: 2/1/04 5:27 PM

I really wanted burda 2998 because that is the highly recommend pattern, but it appear to be out of print, what alternatives could I use? I am not sure I am entirely sold on burda pants, because I did have a few failed attempts with Burda, but that was years ago. I believe some of them worked and some of them did not not work. Is it legal to trace out and sell to others a pattern if it out of print?

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Date: 2/1/04 7:38 PM

As far as copyrighted, printed materials (a category under which all patterns fall), it is not legal to trace any commercial pattern and then sell to others.  That's the kind of transgression that nearly got Monster Patterns shut down, and the pattern companies are aggressive in their pursuit of violators.  If you trace a pattern and then turn around and sell the original on eBay, you are (at least technically) in violation of the copyright and are subject to prosecution.  Think of pattern companies like book publishers:  you can't (legally) take an out of print book to Kinkos, copy them, and then sell the originals on ebay.  One - Kinkos would refuse to copy it because it violates the copyright, and two, you could get bagged by the publisher.  Granted, you may only get bagged if you are egregious in your violations, but given the litigious nature of todays society, and since the RIAA is setting all sorts of precedents in pursuing small time violators, it's a risk that may not be worth taking.  

So frankly, I'd rather spend the $8 on the pattern :)

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Date: 2/1/04 8:31 PM

My concern is how to get an out of print pattern that is not being sold used. If the original is sold only once on ebay, then eventually, the pattern will disappear forever as the originals are destroyed. I did also check ebay for that pattern and could not find it, I doubt it will appear.

Thank you for the information. I feel this is a very unfair policy, because of the pattern is not being sold then it can't be obtained. Well, hang on to your old patterns.  

I have any idea, maybe along with the review of any out print pattern and alternate or similar pattern that is in print could be noted at the bottom of the review?

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Date: 2/2/04 3:50 AM

Pat,
I have made the experience, that the crotch curve on burda pants-patterns are different from the BIG 4 patterns ( I haven't made any independent pants yet, but my jalie-jeans pattern is waiting in my stash ) and that I prefer the burda curve, which is more close to my curve. Nonetheless I have to alter it too and I highly recommend Pants for Real People. It helped me a lot!

Bug-Girl,
try writing to burda directly. In a lot of cases they still have some patterns in their archives, which they are selling or you can try ebay.de, which is the German ebay. I can help you with translating the instructions, if you just can get in in German.

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Date: 2/2/04 8:40 AM

Thank you Tini, that a good idea, I have actually taking some German lessons, I never thought about the German ebay, but over seas shipping will be costly. Babel Fish will translate any page on the web however. I am not sure that particular pattern is worth all that trouble, if I can find a similar or alternative pattern. I will probably look at German ebay anyway, I did not know it existed.

I have heard some independents base thier models on the Burda curve, or maybe I will try alterations.

In the question of which curve is better, I am still unsure, since I have had some failers with Burda pants, but maybe that was an unlucky pattern?

Ideally one would make both and do a point by point comparison of the two curves.

German ebay won't work becasue I can't use my log in there and I can't start a new log in because it does not have a choice for USA.

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Date: 2/2/04 4:00 PM

Bug_girl,

You might try contacting ebay sellers planetsofta and collectrix.  They are both Canadian sellers who sell a lot of Burda patterns.  I've bought from both.  Anyway, when I was pregnant, I e-mailed planetsofta about a maternity swimwuit in my size, and she had one in her collection that she hadn't offered on e-bay.  She offered them to me for her usual starting price ($1.99 US) on ebay.

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Date: 2/2/04 7:34 PM

Jennifer thank you so much, I can add them to my favorite sellers in ebay. I did see a Burda lot, that was interesting, but it did not have the pants in question and it had a lot of bids already.

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Date: 2/2/04 8:09 PM

I looooove Burda patterns!  Having spent years--that's years!--trying to fit myself with assorted Vogue and McCall's (Palmer and Pletsch) patterns, I was delighted to find a fit with minimal alterations with Burda.  That said, this near-perfect fit was accomplished via a private session with an instructor at The Sewing Workshop in San Franscisco.  It turns out that with someone else doing the fine-tuning of the "Studio" muslin I had made, using very carefully-taken measurements, there really wasn't much to do, just pinching out 3/8" here, and 3/8" there.

There's a nice fitting book called Every Sewer's Guide to the Perfect Fit by Morris & McCann.  In it, they lay out on a gridded cutting board various basic pants patterns, so you can see the differences among them--and there are stunning differences!  You would not believe the crotch curve Vogue  thinks the average woman has.  Snort.

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