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Date: 4/11/04 11:47 PM

Hi,
Does anyone out there know if it would be safe to use organ needles
with my 830 and 930 machines? Will they damage the hook? Should I
stick with Schmetz?
Thanks,
Jeffrey

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Date: 4/12/04 1:15 AM

Jeffrey & All,  :smile:

Please stick with only Schmetz in a Bernina machine. Organ needles are made in Japan and are slightly shorter and are for Japanese made (Taiwanese made) machines.
It will not cause any problems to your hook but will skip stitches on some fabrics.
Also please never use Singer needles in any thing but a Singer they are just the opposite of above and a bit longer in length and made for Singer machines only. Singer needles will cause problems to your hook , race and bobbin case.
Schmetz are for all European made machines (Bernina,Pfaff,Viking).
Hope this helps you can buy Bernina brand needles in a Bernina dealers shop they are made in Germany and very high quality like Schmetz.
If I can help any more let me know I teach basic machine repair so I have some really valuable info.

Betty Jo (sewinstuff)
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Date: 4/12/04 9:15 AM

Hi Jeffrey,

The Schmetz needles are a good quality needle, and should work just fine for you.

I have a  Viking Huskylock which will also take the Schmetz needles, but I use the Organ needles in it and recommended by my dealer.  They regularly use organ needles for many of the sergers they sell and service, as the organ needles stand up to the high speed of the serger a little better than the Schmetz.  I have also found them a little better behaved in my serger than the Schmetz needles. FWIW  

I just checked and found that my serger was made in Japan.  Hmm, it's interesting to me that they recommend Schmetz needles...

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Date: 4/12/04 12:37 PM

This is interesting, its a good question, Jeffrey!

I have been using mostly Schmetz on my Craftmaster(made by Janome) and find I do tend to skip stitches occasionally when using Jersey ballpoint needles on knits. I found one blue tipped needle in the generic needle pack that came w/ my machine and wonder what kind of needle it was, because it worked great, especially on polar fleece, and I have no idea where to find more~does anyone have any clue what brand/kind it might have been?

Betty Jo, thanks for your response~I had no idea needle brands were so different :o)

Hilary

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Date: 4/12/04 7:13 PM

I have a Kenmore, made by Janome.  I have heard that the needles you buy at Sears are actually Organ needles.  I have used those in my Kenmore w/o any problems, & would expect them to work well in the Janome machines as well.  The needles in the multipack that came w/ my machine had colors indicating their size & type, which makes me think that might be what Hilary had.

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Date: 4/13/04 1:38 AM

Hillary
Organ Brand were the original in your machine
The Blue tip means it was a Denim needle hence the good result with the polar fleece because it has strong piercing power due to it's sharp point.
In the long run you might get holes in your fabric due to the sharp point so it is a catch 22 in this case you had great results but later might have to deal with a problem.

Use a Organ 14/90 universal for fleece the universal tip isn't as sharp so you won't end up with holes in your fabric.
I added a source link for you.
Hope this helps

Debbie,
The reason Viking dealers recommend Schmetz needles even for the sergers is because that is what you need to use in your Viking machines a Viking machine is packaged with Schmetz and that is what we have in our stores typically. I think you see the difference for yourself in some fabrics you will never have a problem with a schmetz but others that microscopic difference will make a stitch skip especially with the speed in which a serger sews glad you found the Organ needles.

Jeffrey,
Again please only Schmetz or Bernina Brand needles in your Bernina
Happy sewing all
Betty Jo

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Date: 4/13/04 7:22 AM

Actually, the blue needles for Kenmore (Janome-made)machines are stretch needles.

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Date: 4/13/04 8:17 AM

Thanks for the replies, Betty Jo and Anne and sewserious... I will check this out, I definately want to get some more of these needles. In fact I just got my Janome 6500 out of layaway last night and it came with the same needlepack!  :winkgrin:

I have to go play now  :D

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Date: 4/13/04 12:06 PM

I also got the "mystery pack" of needles with my Elna.  The manual says the blue tip needle is a stretch.

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Date: 4/14/04 1:23 AM

Thanks for the response everyone. I guess what I really want to know about Organ needls is related to the scarf on the back of the needle. Is it the same as Singer needles (which will damage the hook in most European machines) or is it more like the scarf of Schmetz needles?
Thanks again,
Jeffrey

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