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Message Board > Bridal and Formalwear Sewing > Sewing for future DIL need advice ( Moderated by MissCelie)

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Date: 1/27/09 9:21 AM

I have been asked to copy the following dress for my future DIL. http://www.alfredsungbridals.com/stylehtml/7039.html

http://www.thebridalshop.com/alfred_sung/images/7039-bodice.jpg

I am going to use the current Threads mag with the article about how to pleat a wrap bodice front. The pictures of the dress seem to have a princess seaming on the front (or is it a crease in the fabric that needed pressed out?) It does not appear to have a seaming at the waist.

I have been scouting out dress pattterns to use as a base but am not finding much without a waist seam.

Can some of you eagle eye seamstresses take a look and give an opinon on this dress?

I have a red bridal satin (free to me from a friend) that will be my mock-up dress. The final product will be out of ivory silk dupioni.

I am waiting for the bride to be to come over for a measuring party but she is busy finishing her final college semester. I have until August but really want to move forward on this. I also have my dress to make as well as a flowergirl and a jr. bridesmaid to sew for this wedding. I have also been asked to sew a more modest prom dress for a girl at church.

I am buying the wedding couture book recommmended.

Thanks for all the anticipated help!

LindaT

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Date: 1/27/09 11:39 AM

You might want to try this pattern because it has a nice-sized train on it or this one from New Look, which has a bodice top that may be better for your style. As for the pleating, this pattern would probably get you started. I've made all three of these as I was exploring bridesmaid options and they're all very easy to construct and I would say the sizing is pretty good and the shape forgiving. Good luck and be sure to post pictures!

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Date: 1/29/09 3:18 PM

I don't know anything about Ohio or where you live in relation to cities that carry this brand of dress, but it seems it could be helpful if you could see the dress a little closer in person. The website does list stores that carry this brand.
I was noticing on the website that there is one trunk show, where they usually have all the dresses, in Ohio starting tomorrow.

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January 30th - February 1st Henri's Cloud Nine Minerva, OH (800) 952-3560


From the picture it is hard to tell about a lot of things, though the odds are it isn't a seam but a crease.

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Date: 1/29/09 3:58 PM

Wow, how similar we seem to be. I just came to this board in order to post a similar question. I am copying a bridesmaid dress for a bridesmaid who has Down's Syndrome, and therefore has a short, wide figure with virtually no waist. The dress is so similar to the bridal gown you are copying, and here are the pictures. click here, click here, click here, click here
Does anyone have advice for me? The Simplicity 6644, Simplicity 6644 looks like a close match, but how hard would it be to convert that to a halter neckline? How do I address the "no waist" issue? Thanks so much.

Linda, I too have a wedding in the family. In addition to the dress mentioned above (a paying job for June), I will be making my DD's wedding gown, along with 2 flower girl dresses and a dress for myself.
Our wedding is not until the end of September, so you go first and let me fly on your coattails!
Hopefully you PR members can help us both.
BTW, I'm in Cincinnati, so we have Ohio in common too!

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Date: 1/29/09 8:25 PM

I am hoping it is a crease! The idea of a seam there is throwing me for a loop if there is not a waist seam. I don't believe there is a waist seam.. what do you think?

I saw there was a trunk show with this gown..... not sure I can make it though.. preparing the house for a "meet my son's future in laws" on Saturday. They are coming for supper... parents, grand parents, etc.

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Date: 1/29/09 8:34 PM

I've done some more checking and I'm thinking of this New Look pattern Here
I still have to figure in the side gathers and the extra piece across the side front skirt. I'm thinking of combining the middle section and the skirt into one pattern piece, so as not to define the waistline. What do you think? I would make view A. Maybe View B would give you a start, Linda.

Oh, I see what you mean. If you look at the white view with the chandelier in the background, it definitely looks like no seam. Maybe the 6557 isn't such a good choice.

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Date: 1/29/09 9:10 PM

Quote: lindaT
I am hoping it is a crease! The idea of a seam there is throwing me for a loop if there is not a waist seam. I don't believe there is a waist seam.. what do you think?

I hate to say it, but -- Those look like seams to me. They appear in every photo of the front of the dress, in exaclty the same place. The skirt looks like it's a multiple gore skirt (difficult to determine how many gores from the photos) and one gore/panel is right on the front of the dress, thus the two seams down the front.

I assume there is a waist seam, under that wrapped bodice piece. That is, there must be an empire waist seam hidden under the cross-over bodice. I don't see how else the dress could go together. I don't see a waist seam in the back in the photos (the photos may not be clear enough to show a waist seam in the back), but that doesn't mean there isn't one in the front.

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Date: 1/29/09 10:18 PM

Linda,
It depends on whether you are trying to make a carbon copy or a dress that has the general look of the picture. If you are going for the general look, then it doesn't really matter where the seams are.

I would say the Alfred Sung dress doesn't have a front waist seam, clearer if you look at the picture with the short hair brunette model. But depending on how you make the dress, it could have a front waist seam and no back waist seam. The general silhouette is an A-line. An interesting thing is that the diagonal folds going to the waist, go only from the bust to the waist, there aren't any below the waist as is common with this type of design. I think it would be easier to get the fitted waist, smooth skirt look with a waist seam. The skirt wouldn't need to have gore or princess seams in skirt if you don't want them. Looking at the back of the dress especially, it is the sort of cut that could easily be cut on the bias as well.

Here are a couple of patterns, even though they are regular dress patterns they show the two ways the wrap gathers could be done.
The first, the top part of the wrap only goes to the waist and could easily have a waist seam underneath that wouldn't show. Vogue 7693
The second dress has no waist seam. Butterick 4723
The back of the Alfred Sung dress looks to me sort of like this pattern. Vogue 8361
If you want a beautiful, but expensive, pattern with the same basic design idea, look at this Marfy pattern. Marfy FS671
Martha

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Date: 1/29/09 10:19 PM

I can handle the seams on the skirt if there is a waist seam..... I was thinking the top and skirt were one piece.... so you think the overlap/crossover bodice is in addition to the "dress"? I can process that better in my head than trying to do it as one..... Now I am getting somewhere in this thick skull. A gored skirt attached to a bodice with the crossover as an additional piece. I might have been trying to complicate matters! The back can be solid then with no seaming at the waist. YEAH! You guys ROCK!



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Date: 1/29/09 10:21 PM

I have seen some halter style patterns similar to this.. Let me investigate and get back to you..... I have been through the pattern sites so many times that I can't think of who has what at the moment.

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